For context, the link in this post
is to a tweet where the writer criticizes members of the Persona community for harassing their friend just because said friend mentioned liking the cast of Persona 5.
So grumpy manchildren being grumpy manchildren as usual and harassing people over a video game.
Social media was a mistake and this continues to be why, good way for communication but it's not really worth it if you have to constantly engage with garbage ass people.
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.Bad form. Bad bad bad bad bad form. Regardless of where you’re at with these games - and they have their issues that make them quite divisive in places - this behavior is absolutely never acceptable and, while I realize this is far from exclusive to the likes of Twitter, I’m just feeling more valid in choosing to leave it behind.
Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)In 5's defense, it's an iteration after six games that knows by now what sticks, and what doesn't. I vastly prefer the SMT-style straightforward dungeons with NPC bits /cutscenes between myself, but it's hard to go back even to 4 Golden and 3 Portable in light of how far the series' QOL has come.
To say nothing of 3 and 4 vanilla which many newcomers are finding hard to stomach. Let alone the three games that came before.
The repetitive dialogue and conspiracy is the worst thing about P5. Who would deny the SIU Director is the worst villain ever? So fuckin' worthless.
But its gameplay has certainly come along way since P3. I give all props to that.
Although I had a weird thought just yesterday:
I remember we used to argue about if stealing hearts was brainwashing or not. But for me, after all these years, the strangest thing about stealing hearts is that P5 seems to posit every human being agrees on what is right and wrong. The Villains only do wrong due to self-delusion, not willful malevolence. As soon as their "distorted desires" are fixed, they comprehend the exact same ideas of good and bad as the Phantom Thieves and have a breakdown.
What if you just stole someone's treasure and they are like "....yeah? I did some bad shit but I don't care."
x6 is it really that strange? Like, even in real life, very few people are actually willfully malevolent because they like it that way, and far more often malice caused by other people can be attributed to a) ignorance or inability to realize they 're hurting people, or b) rationalize their actions as them having been wronged in some way first. Cycle of hatred is a pretty verifiable thing in life.
In both of those cases, it makes a decent amount of sense than if you were able to tear down their self justifications and rationalization for their actions and drill it into their head exactly what they did, it makes sense most of them would indeed acknowledge they did a bad thing and regret it.
Doubling down on awful actions as a way to run away from your own guilt is a far more widespread phenomenon than people being genuine sociopaths.
And also, yeah, 5R touched a bit more on that and basically confirms things that were supposed long ago : if you tried to change the heart of a genuine sociopath/misanthrope you wouldn't change much. At best you'd move the culprit of p4 from his starting point to his p4 arena ultimax self.it also pretty much sums up akechi's arc in 5r.
But again, it's not like everyone doing a bad thing being a genuine sociopath would make any lick of sense,although I understand being disappointed P5 didn't do it at least once to address the elephant in the room.
Edited by Yumil on Feb 25th 2021 at 1:11:29 PM
"when you stare too long into the abyss, Xehanort takes advantage of the distraction to break into your house and steal all your shit."In modern society it honestly becomes more and more clear that ignorance is short term for “I don’t WANT to believe in anything that doesn’t fit my worldview, so I don’t have too”. In effect, where once ignorance seemed unintentional, it becomes more and more obvious it’s a form of active, intentional maliciousness. So no surprise Yaldabaoth came out the way he did.
Edited by OmegaRadiance on Feb 25th 2021 at 4:25:12 AM
Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.I dunno if it can genuinely count as malice. Like. Modern society just has SO MUCH shit happening in it. Trying to process it all is already complicated, and managing to take the distance necessary to ponder their impact and measure them to the scale of the world in order to not get swept by sensationalism is way, way harder. I think we all have to compartiment to some degree just to go on in our daily lives, so I'm not sure I really want to call something that borders on limitations of the human mind "active malice".
Not that some people aren't willfully ignorant, mind you, but even so It still fits the mold of "mechanism to run away from guilt." they'd rather ignore things than admit they exist because they can't see the truth and wholly embrace it.
Edited by Yumil on Feb 25th 2021 at 1:29:33 PM
"when you stare too long into the abyss, Xehanort takes advantage of the distraction to break into your house and steal all your shit."I think a lot of out modern problems are at least partially caused by the fact that human society has evolved and become so complex in such a short amount of time. Psychologically speaking, our human brains only really work optimally for parsing situations in relatively small communities. It's why stuff like Dunbar's number and A Million Is a Statistic is a thing - past a certain scale our brain just kinda turns off and has a hard time processing it.
There are a lot of genuine moral disagreements out there. Someone like Shido could theoretically think everything he was doing was right and necessary. Any Morrowind fans here? Recently had it pop into my mind for whatever reason. Dagoth Ur is a guy who 100% believes what he's doing is right and it saddens him that it causes suffering but it has to be done.
P5 suggests that everyone, if struck by the horror of what they are doing, would just give up immediately and regret it all. But what about folks who think their actions are a tragic necessity?
You can’t feel guilt when being self-righteous in being an awful person via willful ignorance, which is what modern society shows more and more is what modern ignorance really is.
It was certainly a lot easier back in the day to being unintentionally ignorant when media didn’t make it so much easier to open the world around us and conservative media is what ran society. Something the internet changed drastically where it made it much harder to have a simplistic worldview unless one intentionally seeks to be so.
Edited by OmegaRadiance on Feb 25th 2021 at 4:37:24 AM
Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
Im not sure what point you're trying to make.what you describe does fit under running from guilt,so we're in agreement. Unless you're trying to argue every self righteous asshole on the planet is actually medically sociopathic, which sounds pretty outlandish.
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considering this is the entire plot of royale I have no idea what you're trying to argue.
Yes people with genuinely different morals who acted according to those morals the whole time wouldn't be affected, but that also describes A) none of the villains in this game, (shido can have different morals all he wants, he still ruined plenty of lives in ways his morals do not condone anyway, which renders the point moot) , and B) very few antagonists in fiction are really clean enough to play that card entirely straight rather than using it as a get out of jail card for very gratuitous bad shit they did anyway.
Also, just because you believe your the actions are justified doesn't mean you can't feel guilt for them, which would make heart stealing effective regardless.
Neither is being convinced that you're doing good qn automatic pass either, since being convinced you're doing good can just be your coping mechanism with sunk cost fallacy.
Edited by Yumil on Feb 25th 2021 at 2:00:10 PM
"when you stare too long into the abyss, Xehanort takes advantage of the distraction to break into your house and steal all your shit."No. Guilt results from when you have the ability to self-reflect. Being ignorant does not mean learning the truth can lead one to feel guilty, and it can even be more a sign that its cause it affected the person negatively than the fact their actions were wrong on a moral level.
Thats why its more and more apparent modern ignorance is intentional, and its only when things blow up in their faces after acting in willful ignorance that people might feel guilt, and even then that can only be because they got caught.
You can see this with how Kamoshida felt guilt. He’d rather have died if that would make the guilt go away so he doesnt have to feel it. Ann calls him out on that because it was still about himself and not how his actions hurt others.
Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

Of all the pagetoppers...
For context, my post is replying to a linked tweet about Persona fans (presumably those of 3/4 or maybe 1/2) harassing another twitter user off the platform for the "crime" of liking the Phantom Thieves. because heaven forbid the gaming community respects other people's opinions.
Edited by MorningStar1337 on Feb 24th 2021 at 2:07:40 AM