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asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Face me now, bitch!
#60827: Feb 16th 2021 at 5:37:44 PM

Crystahhl is a treasure.

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darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#60828: Feb 16th 2021 at 6:58:21 PM

Best is Mark's dancing, obviously.

Dirtyblue929 Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#60829: Feb 16th 2021 at 8:39:10 PM

Mark's dancing is crazy, it deserves S tier

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#60830: Feb 17th 2021 at 9:52:04 AM

Nevermind, mods won't work no matter what I do.

Edited by VeryMelon on Feb 17th 2021 at 2:43:12 PM

Zeldalover Since: Oct, 2020
#60831: Feb 17th 2021 at 3:51:55 PM

ok Im finallu getting behind the fusion system in 4. I like how Yugioh and Pokemon are like "believe in the heart of the pokemon/cards" and then SMT is all "sacrifice the weak for the strong". Also why do people hate marie ive done the first couple of her links and shes perfectly decent for what she is.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#60832: Feb 17th 2021 at 4:10:24 PM

At this point its context you wont have if you didn't play the original persona 4 first, so don't worry about it.

Zeldalover Since: Oct, 2020
#60833: Feb 17th 2021 at 5:40:03 PM

@Very Melon... unny story I do actually have the og p4 for ps2... but it wont work because my ps2 is not reliable

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#60834: Feb 18th 2021 at 1:09:18 PM

So in other news I fixed my Persona 3 FES modding issue. I wish I could use that Reincarnation cutscene mod but other than that I'm really enjoying the Full Moon Rebalance gameplay with party member control and new soundtrack.

Zeldalover Since: Oct, 2020
#60835: Feb 18th 2021 at 5:29:09 PM

im still stuck configuring the pcsx2 controls

Yumil Mad Archivist Since: Mar, 2016
Mad Archivist
#60836: Feb 20th 2021 at 7:43:02 AM

Alright, been playing the first hours of p5s. I really like it so far. The gameplay feels really good, the movement is amazing ,and the specials sometimes flows into each other really well and you mop up waves of enemy like it's no one's business, and they even managed to cram in that feeling of running on fumes when you're out of SP and trying to pull every trick from the book just to make it to the next encounter.

and I really ,really like the writing so far. People have been saying for a while that persona suck at comedy, but... I really, really disagree ? Persona's amazing at wirting witty bits of dialogue of people bouncing from each other. There's plenty of scenes in the games that aren't meant to tell you "laugh" that still get a good laugh from me, be it from the way character reacts, from some of the dialogue options, or just interactions between the cast.

I'd say that persona is way better at writing low-key comedy than actual comedy scenes, but honestly, I have a couple of scenes from the main game that would like to disagree coming to mind, and now p5s has been delivering some really really good scenes in that department too. Ryuji fucking around with the delivery system and ordering a gold bar and processing what just happened was, pun intentionnal, solid gold.

Persona's good at comedy. It just also happens that it has some really bad jokes next to the good ones.

Edited by Yumil on Feb 20th 2021 at 4:43:12 PM

"when you stare too long into the abyss, Xehanort takes advantage of the distraction to break into your house and steal all your shit."
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#60837: Feb 20th 2021 at 7:56:52 AM

Witty dialogue is Persona's strong suit when it comes to comedy, not the usual anime comedy bullshit tropes.

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asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#60838: Feb 20th 2021 at 8:53:36 AM

Scramble's comedy is honestly pretty good apart from the Objectively Fucking Terrible hotsprings scene, to the point where said scene feels like it accidentally fell into the wrong game.

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Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Face me now, bitch!
#60839: Feb 20th 2021 at 9:11:26 AM

[up][up] "Anime comedy bullshit" has basis in real life Manzai troupes, so it isn't really something anime came up with so much as simply uses it.

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MisterTambourineMan Unbeugsame Klinge from Under a tree Since: Jun, 2017 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
Unbeugsame Klinge
#60840: Feb 20th 2021 at 3:43:22 PM

Could I ask for the community's help to double-check something from my memory regarding the bad/good ending juncture on P4? The first time I tried doing it, I tried to do it without looking at a guide. I got halfway through before I messed up. I ended up getting an end where the party backed off from killing Namatame, and I think Nanako survived, but the killed was never caught and the credits rolled right there. Am I remembering that correctly?

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#60841: Feb 20th 2021 at 3:47:02 PM

That would be the second bad ending, you avoided the first one. You need to pick out the killer when you are standing outside Aiya's to go onto the Normal/True/Golden ending path.

Edited by Memers on Feb 20th 2021 at 3:47:49 AM

lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#60842: Feb 20th 2021 at 4:11:57 PM

There are two bad endings at the hospital. You can convince everyone to leave Namatame alone by being emotional and Nanako survives but there's no real conclusion. Or you can go ahead and kill Namatame, avenging Nanako who remains dead.

"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#60843: Feb 20th 2021 at 4:22:29 PM

Yeah, getting passed that first bad ending is the real trick. It got me both times.

When you YELL at people to calm down, it always has the opposite effect. Goddammit game.

deludedmusings Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#60844: Feb 20th 2021 at 4:31:54 PM

That particular choice wasn't an issue for me, it was the repeated nothing answers you have to give leading up to it that was frustrating for me.

Just let me acknowledge I know what's happening, game, don't be so proud of your 'mystery'.

Chariot King of Anime Since: Jul, 2014
King of Anime
#60845: Feb 20th 2021 at 7:07:35 PM

@Yumil

Since you're actually playing the game how do you feel about the controls? The one thing putting me off from getting it is that I've heard that the same button is used for practically everything and that this makes the game frustrating to play. How does that align with your own experiences? The review I linked is 17 minutes long and while the reviewer ultimately enjoyed the game if the controls really are that bad I might have to pass up on getting it.

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#60846: Feb 20th 2021 at 10:33:47 PM

I can't believe I've never really thought about it before but Liam O'Brien as Akihiko in P3 really has a lot of the same problems as his early Gaara in Naruto. He has this weird sort of nasally quality to his voice-acting that prevents it from being the awesome, deep, resonant voice everyone associates with him and which made, say, Caius in FFXIIII-2 so spectacular.

His later Gaara was much smoother, if not that deep. And maybe his Akihiko is better in the Arena games too? I dunno when he started voice-acting but he mid-2000s were not the best time for him it seems.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#60847: Feb 20th 2021 at 10:39:27 PM

Mid 2000's is when he first got started iirc.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Face me now, bitch!
#60848: Feb 20th 2021 at 10:46:35 PM

Asura is still my favorite Liam O Brien role, if only for how far he can take an angry voice.

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Yumil Mad Archivist Since: Mar, 2016
Mad Archivist
#60849: Feb 21st 2021 at 4:17:01 AM

Since you're actually playing the game how do you feel about the controls? The one thing putting me off from getting it is that I've heard that the same button is used for practically everything and that this makes the game frustrating to play. How does that align with your own experiences? The review I linked is 17 minutes long and while the reviewer ultimately enjoyed the game if the controls really are that bad I might have to pass up on getting it.

Yeah, I can get where that's coming from. The biggest example I have is how the B/Circle button is used for a lot of things, some of them concurrently at the same time. Like, A thing that happened several times to me during the first boss batlle is that we broke one of their defense, which prompted a "press circle to make a One more attack" but at the same time there was already a "press b to warp to this environmental object and make a contextual move" on the screen and pressing the circle button doesn't guarantee you'll actually do the thing you want to do.

Joker also has an aggravating case of this where his main gimmick is that after using Y to shoot at it's opponent, he can press B/circle to warp net to that enemy and keep up the attack, so if you abuse that tactic a lot (which, from experience, you will do, against tough bosses), you can have up to three B/circle prompts at the time.

There's also that design principle for the combos where most of the different moves are "Mash X a certain number of times and then use Y as the combo finisher" and depending of many times you attack with X before doing Y it does a compeltely different thing, but it's kinda pretty fucking hard to tell what attack you're at when there's so much things on the screen going on and sometimes you'd like to do one move in particular. I felt like it was pretty detrimental to playing Yusuke, who can be played with a counter-heavy playstyle, but doing so would require to give up all attacking while waiting for an attack to come because using the counter mid-combo isn't reliable.

(part of that one I suspect is aggravated by this being my first muso-type game, it's probably possible to actually have that work better, but it's a commitment you may not want to make.)

I don't know if i'd go to say it makes the game frustrating to play, it's fine most of the time, (it's a muso game, you don't have to fine tune what you're doing to win, most of the time) but it becomes an aggravating factor when you're up against something geniunely tough like a main boss or a tough encounter where you're low on SP/HP. Then again, the game does regularly offers you the easy difficulty switch if you die too much, so it is kinda mitigated.

I'll just stress out that despite those problems, most of the times, the gameplay works fine and even is very enjoyable - and that while it can become an aggravating factor in tough situations, not getting in said tough situations is an option - I was bleeding dry for the second half of the first jail trip, but that's because I decided to do the whole jail in a single sitting. The only genuinely tough spot so far that wasn't my fault was the first boss, but playing on easy mode was an option I just didn't opt to take.

EDIT: after watching the video's section on the combat, I'll also add that I do kind of disagree with his read on the party members. maybe it gets worse later, but for now, I've found them surprisingly competent at not getting hit too much and they've sometiems proved to dodge some very damaging moves better than me.

I also disagree with his assertion that the SP management is such a problem - Mostly, I disagree that the only way to heal SP is leaving the dungeon - there is a skill you can buy from the get-go that lets you recover some HP and SP after each battle and effectively turns weak encoutners into living batteries. It IS expensive to buy and you'll probably have to hold off from buying other upgrades to buy that one, alright, but I also feel like because the game is pretty faithful to SP management in persona games, when you see something that tells you "regen SP after battle", it should be clear enough it's worth getting ASAP.

Even witthout that, I've never ran into a battle that lasted 30 solid minutes because of the lack of SP - just use joker and abuse the combo move where he uses an appropriate elemental move for free. I think my longest battles have been like 10-15 minutes so far.

Edited by Yumil on Feb 21st 2021 at 1:29:17 PM

"when you stare too long into the abyss, Xehanort takes advantage of the distraction to break into your house and steal all your shit."
Zeldalover Since: Oct, 2020
#60850: Feb 21st 2021 at 10:19:24 AM

@Nikkolas I mean its very rare for a va to nail their character right away... I mean it took Kevin Conroy a bit to truly develop his batman performance.

Anyways did the phrase "get smoked originate from persona 5 or was it a something perople said beforehand?

Edited by Zeldalover on Feb 21st 2021 at 10:19:45 AM


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