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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#60751: Feb 10th 2021 at 1:04:28 PM

Come on, you didn't think they wouldn't do it would you.

The fact that they saved it for later feels like a blatant bait.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
MisterTambourineMan Unbeugsame Klinge from Under a tree Since: Jun, 2017 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
Unbeugsame Klinge
#60752: Feb 10th 2021 at 2:33:40 PM

Does anybody even like those scenes?

Nach jeder Ebbe kommt die Flut.
deludedmusings Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#60753: Feb 10th 2021 at 3:10:36 PM

If there is, it's a minority, especially in the western audience.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#60754: Feb 10th 2021 at 3:20:36 PM

It's a Japanese game first and foremost. Even if some of the Japanese didn't, the way things work over there it isn't going to be changing overnight.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#60755: Feb 10th 2021 at 4:00:20 PM

Yea, its very Japanese oriented humor. Its extremely common in JRPG's and Anime.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#60756: Feb 10th 2021 at 5:17:06 PM

For humor to work though, you need to subvert an expectation of the audience. Blandly following the same formulas won't get you equal laughs, Atlus. It's a similar fear I have of Falcom recycling its company jokes and tropes into irrelevance over time.

32ndfreeze Since: Mar, 2012
#60757: Feb 10th 2021 at 7:15:45 PM

It would be kind of interesting to see a hotsprings/bath scene leading to actual development. Like someone changing a sign as a mean prank leading to finding out about scars or something one party is self conscious about.

But when I thought about it some more that's kind of painting over the issue, and it would be much better to just remove the whole scene without trying to get tricky about it.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#60758: Feb 10th 2021 at 7:22:41 PM

[up][up] That's not how Japanese humor works; Japanese relies on repetition.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#60759: Feb 10th 2021 at 7:32:34 PM

Ah the classic hallmarks of hotspring scene.

The girls touching each other's breasts out loud, a guy trying to peep everytime using the exact same line as justification ("Its a man's duty to check this out", word for word that line always), & someone getting hurt (always the guy).

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#60760: Feb 10th 2021 at 7:42:37 PM

Hey, at least the scene you posted had a genuine subversion; the guys hear boob talk...and go right on with their business.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#60761: Feb 10th 2021 at 7:47:28 PM

For added hilarity they do talk about a girl (Sophie) but their discussion had nothing to do with her body.

They just talked about what a great and strong person is.

Meanwhile the girls are just...... engaging in skin-ship I guess.

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 10th 2021 at 7:48:00 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#60762: Feb 10th 2021 at 7:48:05 PM

So I'ma assume the guys didn't actually peep, just like the last two times (where the entire thing is a misunderstanding that never gets cleared up at all, and they suffer for it).

The usual bullshit.

One Strip! One Strip!
darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#60763: Feb 10th 2021 at 7:54:15 PM

Trails in the Sky has a rare non-pervy hot spring, but in that case, you're firmly in the head of the female protagonist who's too embarrassed to check on her crush. The inevitable seeing your crush in a towel scene occurs, but the focus is less on seeing any naughty bits on chibi sprites, and more how exaggerated your protagonist's surprise is. And even then, her overreaction doesn't have her hit anyone.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#60764: Feb 10th 2021 at 8:14:25 PM

Trails usually avoids Persona’s version of the Hot Springs Episode. The only one I recall that comes close is one in Cold Steel 2, and that’s more Rean being a dumbass and barging in on the girls the second he heard someone scream.

Mind you, it does have some other problems...

Edited by KarkatTheDalek on Feb 10th 2021 at 11:14:46 AM

Oh God! Natural light!
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#60765: Feb 10th 2021 at 8:17:28 PM

The best use of the trope is easily in Tales of Berseria where the hot spring have body swapping properties, so the males and females all swap bodies and one of the female protagonists has a freak out over one of the boys in her body.

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MisterTambourineMan Unbeugsame Klinge from Under a tree Since: Jun, 2017 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
Unbeugsame Klinge
#60766: Feb 10th 2021 at 8:25:50 PM

[up][up] Tales of Hearts has a similar scene.

Nach jeder Ebbe kommt die Flut.
NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#60767: Feb 11th 2021 at 5:53:38 AM

HERE'S the dumb scene:

Everything wrong with it:

Unlike the previous games, the thieves don't have a character who's gimmick is that he's very pervy. At worst, Ryuji still knows where to draw the line.

Why didn't Joker just say that someone's in here?

Makoto, you know that Ryuji is a victim of physical abuse right? Fuck at least in the original game when Ryuji was beaten up by the girls, there was at least the excuse that they were upset at his nonchalantness about his possible death. But this... why?

Why can Makoto do a solo all out attack? And shouldn't her towel fly off doing it?

Logically speaking, why does the bond meter go up for this? Logically speaking, viewing your male friends as creepers should worsen the bond.

And of course, the game will continue as if this never happened. No apology or even anger from the girls. No resentment from the boys. So they don't come off as "real" people. They come off as cartoon characters.

Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Face me now, bitch!
#60768: Feb 11th 2021 at 6:00:43 AM

"They come off as cartoon characters"

...Because they are?

I know that people can get attached to them, and I don't like the scene either, but at the end of the day, they aren't real people, so I don't really have any stake in it.

Edited by Demongodofchaos2 on Feb 11th 2021 at 9:00:58 AM

Watch Symphogear
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#60769: Feb 11th 2021 at 6:11:29 AM

We've been complaining about the same scene since 2008, I think its time we've moved on. It sucks, we hate it. Nothing else really needs to be said that hasn't already been said.

Interestingly, this game wasn't directed by Hashino, so you can't even blame him for that scene this time.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Feb 11th 2021 at 9:12:41 AM

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MisterTambourineMan Unbeugsame Klinge from Under a tree Since: Jun, 2017 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
Unbeugsame Klinge
#60770: Feb 11th 2021 at 6:14:04 AM

[up] You have a point. I'll probably still pick the game up, even if one of the scenes suck.

Nach jeder Ebbe kommt die Flut.
NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#60771: Feb 11th 2021 at 6:25:48 AM

[up][up][up]Because it makes the characters far more hyperbolic and insane than it should be given the situation at hand.

Look at it this way, no one's having a problem with the scene where Ryuji accidentally orders a gold bar despite THAT situation being far more outlandish. Because they're still reacting to the situation properly at hand without sudden change in personality.

Edited by NoName999 on Feb 11th 2021 at 6:27:21 AM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#60772: Feb 11th 2021 at 6:36:08 AM

I can see Ann and Makoto getting that pissed off and if I remember correctly, they were the only ones to harm the guys.

The legend has returned.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#60773: Feb 11th 2021 at 12:17:04 PM

I’m starting to think all these guys are secretly masochists because they never make a point of physically defending themselves.

Especially in this case. Ann is not a strong physical fighter and while Makoto is a brawler, so is Ryuji so it’s just stupid how how they all allow this.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PhoenixAct Since: Feb, 2011
#60774: Feb 11th 2021 at 12:38:01 PM

Makoto is a brawler

Just a point of order, Makoto isn't a brawler, she's a trained martial artist. It's mentioned when you're investigating Kaneshiro.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#60775: Feb 11th 2021 at 12:39:19 PM

Specifically, she is trained in Aikido, so yea she can probably beat everyone's ass if she felt like it.

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