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astrokitty Happiness is a cup of tea from Somewhere Out There Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Happiness is a cup of tea
#60476: Dec 28th 2020 at 8:26:07 PM

It'd be cool to be able to play as a female character, but that's clearly not very important to Atlus so I doubt we'll get that anytime in the near future.

Somebody once told me the world was macaroni, I took a bite out of a tree
OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#60477: Dec 28th 2020 at 8:31:16 PM

It would be more likely he tries to sexually assault her, and shed have to be changed to likely grabbing a something to defend herself with. I do not buy Shido wouldnt try to do worse to a female MC because a woman defied him, and the game would have to reflect that attitude too.

The protagonist being a woman I honedtly feel would make the male villains all far worse in how they treat them precisely because of how theyve all treated women in the game. I do feel they'd not have let Joker get by as easily because a female teenager not knowing her place would be worse for a bunch of these scumbags.

And tbh I hate just copy/paste the gender because its still obvious its written only for one gender and the Creators will always pick the one they made that perference for. Unless one tries to differ them so they're their own character does it feel like itd be fine.

Thats why I like stuff like Fe MC being her own character in PQ 2, because she was written as her own character.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#60478: Dec 28th 2020 at 8:33:22 PM

i'm very excited to play PQ2 because i adore FeMC, i just wanted to play through 3 FES first before i start touching the spinoffs

i should probably play P3P as well beforehand but i don't have the patience to play through what's mostly the same game twice [lol]

Edited by EpicBleye on Dec 28th 2020 at 11:33:49 AM

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#60479: Dec 28th 2020 at 8:36:37 PM

Honestly, no one's ever been against having a female optional lead. It would just take Royal longer than 2 years after the original to be released in that case. Which would actually be for the better since it would also make the 60 dollar price tag for Royal make more sense.

It's easy to forget, but vanilla Persona 5 is still technically an 7th Generation game. It was originally supposed to come out for PS 3 only and much earlier at that. It was only ported to PS 4 as the dev time got later.

Had it come in 2014 as originally planned, Royal's price tag would make a lot more sense since they're a whole generation apart.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Dec 28th 2020 at 11:36:59 AM

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#60480: Dec 28th 2020 at 8:38:41 PM

I think there is definitely a missed opportunity to make a Ryoji S Link for MC because Ryoji makes clear gender doesnt matter to him, wjereas Aigis is having difficulty processing her own feelings.

The implied feelings with Ken is a No-No though. Just like Joker and the little doms or Nanako toward Yu.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#60481: Dec 28th 2020 at 8:57:09 PM

okay, after a break and some pie and i'm back on the action

and is that

aigis

:ooooo cutie robot girl

very excited to learn more about her, but she already seems so sweet

and apparently has some sort of connection with me?? an anti-shadow weapon, huh

well, that summer vacation was sure. something. thank god it ended in aigis coming home with us

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#60482: Dec 28th 2020 at 8:58:22 PM

As much as I prefer 4 and 5, there's no denying that Aigis is my favorite girl out of all the modern Persona games.

The legend has returned.
EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#60483: Dec 28th 2020 at 9:40:50 PM

aaaaa and now koromaru

he got hurt because he was trying to protect the shrine ;~;

poor puppy ;~; what a good boy he is

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#60484: Dec 28th 2020 at 9:57:48 PM

Best dog is persona dog.

This is a fact, and none can dispute it.

One Strip! One Strip!
Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#60485: Dec 28th 2020 at 10:35:48 PM

P3 is when Nu Persona started but it still has some leftovers from the original Persona. 4 and 5 go out of their way to make the normal world as mundane as possible but 3 has Persona Dog and androids, very reminiscent of P2 with its giant robots and far more fantastical technology.

Aigis wouldn't be out of place there but in 4 and 5? She stands out like a sore thumb.

EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#60486: Dec 28th 2020 at 11:10:47 PM

I kind of see what you mean. I'm 100% sure that if a robot companion were in 4 or 5 they could make it work- just look at Labrys, after all.

It's hard for me to say that a robot companion wouldn't work at all though.

I think Aigis fits very well into Persona 3's setting, since it very intentionally has a rougher aesthetic. Tartarus is very clean and organized and militarized, and the Evokers do a great job at mixing "Personas as the inner self" and "Personas utilized as a weapon". So, Aigis is the end result of what Evokers and Tartarus represent. And I don't think another robot companion would fit quite as well thematically into 4 or 5.

But, of course, 3 is intentionally plotted in a way that a robot isn't terribly out of place. Neither 4 nor 5 are set up in a way that a robot companion suddenly appearing wouldn't be odd, especially since 3 has the whole "we're just cleaning up the mess of someone who DID all the research and development years ago" thing going on.

As for Koromaru... I raise you Morgana in 5.

But I do agree that 4 and 5 have set things up in a way that there's a sharper divide between "normal home-life" and "magical shadow hunting"... mostly.


Anywho, just finished "Maya"'s social link. I... was legitimately really sad at the end there. I've been there where I lost contact with friends because the game we played stopped being the big thing :/

My only criticism is that "Maya" is really Ms. Toriumi, which becomes super apparent as soon as you finish the Rank 8. I feel like a lot of what made the SL so meaningful is that you couldn't know who it was, or if the other person over the line was telling the truth, or if it was even how they REALLY acted or if it was just a... persona.

Knowing who it is takes a lot of the wind out of the sails of the social link's meaning, especially when it being who it is feels more like a "hah, gotcha! wild isn't it?" rather than a twist that relates to the themes of the social link.

I think leaving it at the Rank 10, where "Maya" disconnects for the last time and leaves a note in the virtual sand that she loves you, knowing that you'd never meet in person... with the knowledge that despite the fact that in spite of the fact that you never really knew each other, you knew each other more than anyone else... I think that's a more fitting end to the social link.

...but of course, the rank 8 spoils all that :/ and also some other criticisms how all you did was enable her and the rank 10 was her realizing that what she was doing was wrong... somehow, and her thanking you for helping her... for some reason.

10/10 concept, 4/10 execution. that averages out to a 7/10 SL

Edited by EpicBleye on Dec 28th 2020 at 2:12:02 PM

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
Yumil Mad Archivist Since: Mar, 2016
Mad Archivist
#60487: Dec 29th 2020 at 5:02:27 AM

I think it would be interesting for a Persona game to tackle the theme of having to grow up, and how the main cast would have to deal with that. You could have a set of protagonists who are just about the graduate College and head out into the real world. That is a similarly universal constant.

I get that you're speaking of the physical aspect of growing up, but I still find it weird because it's feels pretty obvious to me that growing up emotionally is the overriding theme of all of Persona starting from 3. It's there in the main themes of all three games, it's there in pretty much all the social links, and it's regularly heavily featured as part of the arc of the characters, especially the archetype of "The bro", to the point they often end up the emotionnal voice of reason of the group as a result.

That's also the theme that makes 5 click for me as hard it does, far more than what it can say about the societal issues, although it certainly does use it effectively enough to have interesting things to say about it.

That's what makes persona click for me, far more than getting the opportunity to bang your homeroom-teacher-maid.

And it doesn't sound that much like a teenager power fantasy theme to me. I think it's a theme that's relevant at every age and I find myself living around plenty of people who are well into their forties and more that haven't integrated that core concept as solidly as it should be if it was a teenager thing.

That's even reflected in the games, where the social links who go through that are of pretty much all ages, because you can always keep growing up no matter your age.

And while I'd very much love "persona but the casts is older and talks about moving out of school and settling itno adult life", I think that mainline persona already did tackled some of those themes. Having to move out of your home and learn to become autonomous in a big city the way 5 does, or even 4 to a lesser extent, is a theme that hits pretty close to the idea of growing up, at least to me. I'm not saying it's a good replacement of a game actually about that, but I think persona has long been dipping it's toes into that pool.

Edited by Yumil on Dec 29th 2020 at 2:03:07 PM

"when you stare too long into the abyss, Xehanort takes advantage of the distraction to break into your house and steal all your shit."
I-M-THE-Jetyl-1 the Original Jetyl Since: Oct, 2019
the Original Jetyl
#60488: Dec 29th 2020 at 1:09:27 PM

I think the strongest appeal the new persona's added was not the dating sim aspects, but the life sim aspects.

getting to live out a curated, sanitized, idealized version of a high school life can be appealing to a vast amount of people, significantly more than the straight male fantasy of collecting all your waifus could draw in on its own.

part of the complaints about Persona feeding into that straight male fantasy is that it gets in the way of the great fantasy of an idealized high school life.

an environment when everyone assumes I'm straight, and women are thrown at me like waifus is not an 'idealized high school fantasy' for me. Its somewhere between the bs i had to deal in rl high school, and a nightmare!

and the biggest change between p3 & p4 to P5 is both how blatant the straight male power fantasy gets now that the games have high budgets and production value, and people like me no longer tolerating that fantasy as "the best we're going to get".

I want it to go away, so I can enjoy what I like about persona without having to bury it in caveats and push past all the things that make it clear the game doesn't give a crap about people like me.

and as for solutions. yeah, adding options is the obvious and probably correct solution, but for that to happen you need to the change in mindset at ATLUS for who plays their games, and why. and the best way little people like me could affect change is to complain about it endlessly in the minuscule hope atlus actually listens.

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EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#60489: Dec 29th 2020 at 11:26:49 PM

i just did the summer festival, and i absolutely love how if you turn everyone down for the night then go on your own you just get totally blown off and end up depressed [lol]

besides that, i only had Yukari, Yuko, and Chiharu to go to the festival with. i love Yuko... but Yukari very quickly stole my heart with that beach scene.

and am i glad i chose Yukari, because when she said

Did you hear that? She called you my boyfriend! *giggle*

i think i died a little of how cute that was

Edited by EpicBleye on Dec 29th 2020 at 2:27:05 PM

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#60490: Dec 30th 2020 at 3:48:32 PM

Alright I just bought Persona 5 Royal (along with Odin's Sphere).

Not gonna play it for a while cause I have to finish 13 Sentinels, but if anyone can give me the list to completing all the links on the first walkthrough, that be dope.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
TheTragicNoir from Under the bridge. Since: Feb, 2019 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#60491: Dec 30th 2020 at 4:29:05 PM

For Persona 5 Royal, you don't need a guide for all max confidants in the first run since it is easy. But I could suggest you get answers to confidant questions, so you don't waste too much time. And better get yourself a fusion calculator for Caroline and Justine requests.

Edited by TheTragicNoir on Dec 30th 2020 at 5:32:02 AM

Yumil Mad Archivist Since: Mar, 2016
Mad Archivist
#60492: Dec 30th 2020 at 4:48:30 PM

[up][up]here you go, man.

I'm finally gonna be able to delete your post asking to be reminded to be given a guide the day you pick up royale from my bookmarks.

"when you stare too long into the abyss, Xehanort takes advantage of the distraction to break into your house and steal all your shit."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#60493: Dec 30th 2020 at 4:53:52 PM

[up][up] Well I tried for the first game, wasn’t able to. Figured a guide would help me out.

[up] Ha, thanks. [lol]

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
TrueShadow1 Since: Dec, 2012
#60494: Dec 30th 2020 at 4:56:22 PM

Dunno if it still applies to Royal, but in vanilla it's important to get Fortune link to level 7 ASAP. She can increase another link's points without consuming any time. Spam it everyday you can.

Temperance is also a good link to focus on. She basically makes some time-consuming activities not take any time, and occasionally give you extra time slots as well (although with limited activities).

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#60495: Dec 30th 2020 at 7:19:43 PM

The original game's optimal path is fucking brutal. I followed a guide, and you had to be almost perfect on your first third of the game to not lose out on those sweet, sweet Guts.

EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#60496: Jan 3rd 2021 at 4:06:07 PM

another full moon, another stupid looking boss defeated

...actually, the boss was kinda cool

a lot more pieces moving in the plot now. Akihiko, Ken, and Shinjiro all have some sort of shared history, enough to make Ken and Shinji want to join SEES but also i'm never using ken because he's literally an elementary schooler what

ikutsuki i do not care if he volunteered he is a child

we also have Junpei meeting Chidori and then trying to build himself up. she's creepy, but honestly i think the romance is kinda cute.

...and then chidori kidnapping junpei to literally no avail.

as for the boss itself, it was kinda uhhh stupid easy. i went in with queen mab and i literally couldn't be touched. hell, i brought in Yukari and Aigis and the boss still went down easy. the biggest flaw with Persona 3 thus far is definitely the battle system, for a whole host of reasons, including me being able to not get hurt by this boss at all with zero effort.

....also, why on earth was it so hard to find the boss in the mall??? there's like, maybe a dozen stores and the boss was sitting in the middle of the largest one. fuuka plz.

anyway very very interested in the plot side of things. that's where persona 3 is shining and it's shining very well.

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#60497: Jan 3rd 2021 at 4:21:04 PM

P3 story bosses are generally pretty easy because the hard deadline means you can't decide to just go back and level up some more before you fight them. The minibosses at the highest point of Tartarus you can reach at any given time are deliberately considerably harder fights. The game doesn't want players getting stuck on the story boss, but knows that if they can beat the miniboss they should be fine.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#60498: Jan 4th 2021 at 1:48:11 AM

oh, wow, apparently Chidori's Persona tries to kill her 0.o

that's crazy, and apparently Strega as a whole have that issue??

this is such an interesting concept between that and suppressants to keep a person's Persona, er, suppressed if it's too strong

it's honestly a shame this concept doesn't appear in 4 or 5, because, like, it's a really interesting one that could absolutely be expanded upon

aaaand apparently the suppressants have some dangerous side effect, and shinji is taking them. drama!

Persona 3's plot really just keeps getting better and better. My only criticism thus far is that our character doesn't really have a reason to be involved in all this (yet) beyond, uh, having a persona. I'm certainly invested in everyone else's story, but not so much my own beyond a nebulous "get to the top of mementos".

But goodness am I invested in everyone else's story and the answers that I'm going to find.

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
KalloonWhite Since: Nov, 2011
#60499: Jan 4th 2021 at 12:07:15 PM

I think the whole persona trying to kill you thing mostly plays into everybody having to force their personas out in the dark hour, cause it wouldn't make much sense in say p4 cause...

Well actually everybody's shadows trying to kill them because they won't accept them in kinda similar now that I think about it? Maybe not exactly the same but I can see some parallels vis a vis rejecting ones true self, which I feel applies at least in the case of Chidori and maybe Shinjiro?

Not so sure about Takaya and Jin but I don't care about them so I won't try to analyze their psyches.tongue

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#60500: Jan 4th 2021 at 1:05:55 PM

P3's personas a forcibly drawn out, which can cause side effects requiring drugs. Those drugs... can also be lethal and can cause the body to be able to unregulate body temp correctly, hence why Shinji and Jin are always in a big coat and Takaya is shirtless in the dead of night.

Edited by Memers on Jan 4th 2021 at 1:11:23 AM


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