*5 Yes, but that was after the fact that she had to hear the integration to even begin to be swayed
Before then, she was portrayed as starting to show the rot as her bosses did.
Also, she quit to become a defense attorney at the end of the game. Which indicates the problem is the system. If this was a story about Sae the "good attorney", after she exposed her boss as a criminal, the story will end. No mention of her boss is getting orders from the top to perform these corrupted acts. No mention of how Japan's extreme collective society turns a blind eye to the injustices.
The cop culture in Japan is garbage as well. I didn't mention anything about the United States.
Edited by NoName999 on Dec 5th 2020 at 9:07:22 AM
I'm pretty sure one of the main points of that that I've read are that Japanese prosecutors have a lot of leeway in choosing which cases to go forward with (there's a special system that I can't remember that gives them that ability) and tend to go only for cases that are "slam-dunks".
Edited by fredhot16 on Dec 5th 2020 at 9:31:24 AM
Trans rights are human rights. TV Tropes is not a place for bigotry, cruelty, or dickishness, no matter who or their position.And the Police break down people into custody until they agree to do what they want, which is why theres a camera in the room in P5. That became mandatory due to Police Brutality being that bad.
Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.Yeah, I've read about that. It's late so I can't pull up a handy-dandy book but Japanese interrogations...can be very unfun.
I do have this paper that talks about them, a bit dated it may be.
This is what being a research nut and Ace Attorney gets you, people.
Edited by fredhot16 on Dec 5th 2020 at 9:32:33 AM
Trans rights are human rights. TV Tropes is not a place for bigotry, cruelty, or dickishness, no matter who or their position.I just now had it confirmed beyond the shadow of a doubt that having everybody in a thread go after me is a Trauma Button, so I'm having some trouble putting together a reply.
Nach jeder Ebbe kommt die Flut.Take your time, dude. Sorry if everybody seems like they're dogpiling you.
Trans rights are human rights. TV Tropes is not a place for bigotry, cruelty, or dickishness, no matter who or their position.I have known about the issues with Japan's legal system for some time, stemming in part from discussions about Ace Attorney and partly from a warning to never be a foreigner in Japan anywhere near a crime. I also know that, while the US has an outstanding problem with police violence for various reasons, it's not unheard of in the rest of the world (Nigeria's protests against their special police force, a recent incident in which French police attacked a black man, to name a few examples), the general attitude of don't portray any member of the police in fiction as sympathetic becoming more mainstream was something I've largely associated- perhaps incorrectly- with the US.
And part of the reason is simply that I like Zenkichi as a character. Though it's probably also worth pointing out that in his backstory, he actually did his best to be principled only to have the conspiracy from the first P5 come down on him and threaten his daughter if he continued investigating them, so while the game portrays him sympathetically, it doesn't really portray the overall justice system any more favorably than the original game did.
Edited by MisterTambourineMan on Dec 5th 2020 at 9:59:59 AM
Nach jeder Ebbe kommt die Flut.@No Name 999: Quit being an ass about what you have to say, please.
Edited by Demongodofchaos2 on Dec 5th 2020 at 1:35:29 PM
Watch SymphogearI can hear the notion that the system is at fault because it does protect the bad individuals, but doesn't the same logic hold true for a massively larger amount of things than just the police ? Like, the recent case of the sexual misconducts at Ubisoft where the HR basically protected those guys comes to mind. Would it also be bad for fiction to depict a videogame developer who's not an asshole ? Is it also bad for fiction to depict a millionaire who's also a good guy ?
Cause if yes, I have to ask how far we have to walk that road before we end up in a dead end, and if no, what makes the former not okay but the latter two fine ? Topical relevance ?
But even disgregaridng that, it doesn't seem all terribly relevant to P 5 S. Per Asterism spoiler, it ulimately agrees that the "good cop" will eventually be forced out of the police for refusing to enable the beahvior of the rest, which both ultimately agrees with the idea that the system is in dire need of a reform, and also depicts the struggle of a reasonable cop struggling to do the right thing among a corrupt system, which is also a thing that exists and antagonizing those people seems like a monumental mistake to me, and puts forward the same criticism "the system is at fault" without resorting to paint all cops with the same brush.
Edited by Yumil on Dec 6th 2020 at 10:43:55 AM
"when you stare too long into the abyss, Xehanort takes advantage of the distraction to break into your house and steal all your shit."Its Sega pushing Atlus to do it, If I recall.
Edited by Demongodofchaos2 on Dec 9th 2020 at 3:12:55 PM
Watch Symphogear

I know that there are systemic problems with police in the US, but it seems excessive to complain about a game having exactly one sympathetic member of the police.
Also, this is complaining that a Japanese game set in Japan isn't reflecting societal problems of the US.
Nach jeder Ebbe kommt die Flut.