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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#59526: Jul 19th 2020 at 4:42:12 PM

Too bad, Joker considers him his rival. Hold that.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#59527: Jul 19th 2020 at 5:57:41 PM

I actually liked Akechi. I liked his design and voice and role in the story. Nothing but positive things to say about him.

Which is a fairly normal position as far as I know. He's just sorta like Yosuke in that you love him or hate him, I guess. Characters that the narrative really, blatantly pushes on you usually seem to have this result. It's kind of a miracle Nanako is as beloved as she is. Or a testament to great writing, whichever.

I don't think P3 had any divisive characters like P4 and 5. Apparently Yukari is divisive but I've literally never met any real big fans or big haters so I don't think it's even close to as intense as with Yosuke and Goro.

Edited by Nikkolas on Jul 19th 2020 at 5:58:58 AM

Kagamikazuto Kazuto from NC Since: Feb, 2020 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Kazuto
#59528: Jul 19th 2020 at 6:02:16 PM

I don't hate the guy. I just don't feel this deep connection with him that the game assumes I do.

Can't think of one.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#59529: Jul 19th 2020 at 6:03:35 PM

As much as people hate Yosuke, he's not a damned murderer like Akechi is.

The thieves are still far too lenient towards him from what I can tell (he killed Haru Dad and Futaba's mom), though they seem well aware he's not a good dude. Haru does state on multiple occasions that she has no intentions of forgiving him, and their decisions to keep working with him are more out of pragmatism than anything else (they don't want to kill him, and they can't change his heart since he has a persona).

But still, he's a murder, Yosuke isn't (barring what you can do with Namatame, and Kanji and Naoto were in on that as well).

One Strip! One Strip!
OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#59530: Jul 19th 2020 at 6:05:16 PM

I would like him more if his plan wasnt so dumb.

And how his serial killer nature is solely blamed on him being tricked when he still chose it for his own revenge scheme.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#59531: Jul 19th 2020 at 6:06:45 PM

Persona 5 tried to make Akechi into an antivillain with a personal rivalry to Joker. It works best for shippers, as you can tell, but a much harder sell for other fans.

Kagamikazuto Kazuto from NC Since: Feb, 2020 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Kazuto
#59532: Jul 19th 2020 at 6:20:10 PM

Thank you, that explains it perfectly. I'm not a shipper.

Can't think of one.
RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
Professional Complainer
#59533: Jul 19th 2020 at 6:21:53 PM

My feelings on Akechi were that he's pathetic and sad then a rival figure. The game succeeded at making me feel bad for him in being a messed up kid who stumbled into a bad situation without realizing there was a better way until it was too late, but there is a lot of assumed empathy going on for him.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#59534: Jul 19th 2020 at 6:22:34 PM

Royal did wonders for Akechi, a lot like Golden did wonders for Adachi.

The legend has returned.
Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#59535: Jul 19th 2020 at 6:26:32 PM

i was wondering about that. What does Royal add for Akechi?

Edited by Nikkolas on Jul 19th 2020 at 6:26:51 AM

ultimate_life_form Since: Aug, 2019
#59536: Jul 19th 2020 at 6:33:26 PM

I was fine with Adachi as is, and he's my favorite villain in the franchise sans Nyarly.

deludedmusings Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#59537: Jul 19th 2020 at 7:06:10 PM

The game both assumes Akechi is more sympathetic than he is and straight up ignores many of his crimes. They think he's Zuko when he's closer to Snape.

A character like that will always be divisive even when they are written better than base game Akechi is. I haven't gotten to the point of the Royal additions for him yet. If Royal actually acknowledges he's a multiple times murderer that needs to answer for that, they've pretty much solved the biggest issue with him.

Edited by deludedmusings on Jul 20th 2020 at 12:11:10 AM

Yumil Mad Archivist Since: Mar, 2016
Mad Archivist
#59538: Jul 19th 2020 at 7:17:28 PM

[up][up][up]Royale reworked his confident and made it an optionnal one so he gets a lot more of actual development and quality time with joker instead of ranking up in throwaway plot scenes, with a culmination where he admits he hate joker for being so much better than him and wanting to surpass him. It pushes the rival dynamic a lot.

It's hard to convey without a lot of context, but the game manages to make the phrase "I'm gonna be entirely honest : I hate you" almost heartwarming.

The third semester also adds a lot of stuff for him. He basically gets to survive his initial death because the bad guy of the third semester pulled some strings, and Akechi teams up with Joker to take him down. He shifts to using his black mask outfit and drops the pretentious, prim and proper detective facade, so he's a lot more bloodthirsty but you can also see a geniune side of him that's still thoughtful, honest with himself and owns up to his actions, and both him, the group and the game agrees it's strictly an Enemy Mine situation rather than forgiving him.

In several regards, it parralels the development Adachi got over time with Golden, the golden anime, P4 Arena. He's never treated as "redeemed" by the cast or the game, nor does he become a straight good guy, but he showcases some moral complexity and some redeeming traits he didn't originally had in vanilla 4/5.

Edited by Yumil on Jul 19th 2020 at 4:27:18 PM

"when you stare too long into the abyss, Xehanort takes advantage of the distraction to break into your house and steal all your shit."
deludedmusings Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#59539: Jul 19th 2020 at 7:24:06 PM

That's good to hear, at least.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#59540: Jul 19th 2020 at 7:35:49 PM

He's more of a Token Evil Teammate and The Friend Nobody Likes in Royal's third semester, and the group are rather clear that yea, their truce is merely for convenience and the same goes for Akechi.

That said they are still saddened when his death is seemingly "corrected" after the final boss, because even if they didn't necessarily like him, he was still considered part of the group.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Jul 19th 2020 at 10:37:45 AM

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#59541: Jul 19th 2020 at 7:45:45 PM

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Pretty much. That and the fact that he was literally fighting to bring about his own death, something Ryuji lampshades. I still stand by my belief that if Akechi had lived for real, he'd have truly taken allowed himself to be jailed, just like in the fake world. It's pretty clear he had no real plan for what he'd do after he got his revenge, and considering that plan ended with expose myself as a murder and bastard child, I'm sure he didn't really care what his own fate was afterwards.

One Strip! One Strip!
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#59542: Jul 19th 2020 at 7:50:05 PM

Yea, Akechi has a lot more complexity to him in Royal beyond his rivalry with Joker. It doesn't eliminate the questionable nature of his plan, but it does cast him in a different light.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#59543: Jul 19th 2020 at 7:51:52 PM

I get the feeling the questionable nature of his plan was him being a bit of a misanthrope who didn't care who hurt, combined with Sunk Cost Fallacy. He'd gone in too deep to pull out.

I wonder if anyone's written a fic about what Akechi would have done if he'd known about changing hearts ahead of time? It's clear that he's at least a little bothered by it during his last fight with the group.

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deludedmusings Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#59544: Jul 19th 2020 at 7:53:07 PM

I'd imagine so. Pre-Royal that was the main point the shippers used to woobify him.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#59545: Jul 19th 2020 at 8:04:37 PM

Yea, but now he's an edgy bad boy with daddy issues. So they just made it worse :V

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Face me now, bitch!
#59546: Jul 19th 2020 at 8:08:23 PM

They made it better because he's such an over the top edgelord now.

Watch Symphogear
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#59547: Jul 19th 2020 at 8:12:46 PM

Well, if the shoe fits, go all out with it. Don't make him a sadboy.

The legend has returned.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#59548: Jul 19th 2020 at 8:12:46 PM

Is he so edgy that he ends up stabbing himself sometimes?

Cause, before the problem was that he shot himself....

<Ducks a brick>

One Strip! One Strip!
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#59549: Jul 19th 2020 at 8:14:36 PM

Don't you realize; being an edgy boi with issues is prime fangirl material.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#59550: Jul 19th 2020 at 8:17:53 PM

So, if we want to get rid of all the fangirls, we need to bait them in with an edgy boi, and then nuke that one spot?

Gotcha.

This plan would be effective against Fanboys too. That's useful.

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