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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#59251: Jul 10th 2020 at 10:56:24 PM

Persona 4 Golden has reached 500,000 sales on PC.

Where's my SMTIV Apocalypse port.

Edited by Nikkolas on Jul 10th 2020 at 10:57:52 AM

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#59252: Jul 10th 2020 at 10:58:17 PM

It would be nice if they would port some of their older games like Nocturne too.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#59253: Jul 10th 2020 at 11:55:06 PM

[up] I had to hunt down Nocturne on the ps3 store.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#59254: Jul 11th 2020 at 3:59:25 AM

I like Nocturne but it's not a great game. Plus between PSN and emulators, a lot of folks can experience the PS 2 SMT library.

The 3DS games are generally much better and also harder to play given they are stuck on just one mobile console. All the arguments for rescuing Golden from the Vita can be used here, basically.

Edited by Nikkolas on Jul 11th 2020 at 3:59:50 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#59255: Jul 11th 2020 at 4:02:24 AM

Ah that Hank Hill clip makes me so glad about Persona memes getting more crazier.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#59256: Jul 11th 2020 at 4:12:17 AM

[up][up] I personally think that Nocturne is up there with Persona 5.

Great gameplay, atmosphere and music.

It's a must play for Persona fans.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#59257: Jul 11th 2020 at 4:28:10 AM

Except it has almost nothing of what a Persona fan might like about Persona. They might like it for its own strengths but I would never say "if you like Persona, check out this dungeon crawler with four or five characters of note and you only interact with most of them two or three times all game."

I suggest the Devil Survivor games, especially 2, or SMTIV Apcoalypse for Persona fans who want to get into SMT. Heavy emphasis on characters and relationships but with SMT ideas and themes.

But some folks might be like me and start with Strange Journey and love it as much as Nu Persona. But you can't guarantee that sorta thing. And even Strange Journey has a stronger emphasis on plot and characters than Nocturne.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#59258: Jul 11th 2020 at 4:31:11 AM

[up] Ehhh, not very fond of Apocalypse.

I think the OG IV is a better introduction. Like that game doesn't shit on the Chaos and Law scale.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 11th 2020 at 4:33:52 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#59259: Jul 11th 2020 at 4:34:40 AM

Apocalypse is fine, honestly it brings to light a lot of things about IV that were buried and so people came to unfortunate implications.

Like "Make Japan Great Again" and "Archangel Gabriel is the worse" are why everything bad happens in IV, and we only know that thanks to Appcalypse.

Also IV lacks Hallelujah. So thats already a marl against it.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#59260: Jul 11th 2020 at 4:36:13 AM

Like don't get me wrong, i think Apocalypse is a fine game but it rubs me the wrong way in certain places.

Like i preferred that the backstory was vague, so we had to draw our own conclusions in contrast to Apocalypse which gives away the mystery. Or how Apocalypse shits on the Law and Chaos choice.

But i will say this, siding with Dagda is a great time.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 11th 2020 at 4:38:39 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
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#59261: Jul 11th 2020 at 4:39:39 AM

Given that Apocalypse canonizes the inherent necessity of the Law/Chaos dichotomy in the Diamond Realm DLC by showing Aleph and Demi-Fiend as respective representatives of each alignment, I don't think the game really has anything inherently negative to say about the system itself.

Krishna says it himself that humanity doesn't lose its way as a result of Law or Chaos, but rather that the game has been so rigged from the start that nothing meaningful can come from it.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#59262: Jul 11th 2020 at 4:42:19 AM

[up] Well it's just that the way game presents the law and chaos choices even if it makes it out to be rigged bothers me.

Like sure Nanashi really has little reason to go for either team, and that one could argue Bonds and Massacre are the true Law and Chaos but ehhh.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
Professional Complainer
#59263: Jul 11th 2020 at 4:46:18 AM

Because Apocalypse is a story about how the system is rigged to the same cycle of repetition for all of eternity based on the machinations of one guy who wants to keep everything in lockstep. It's a game about the Neutral alignment as an expression of bonds or through taking power for yourself.

Gaston and Toki are the alignment heroes, they just don't flip out and turn on you because they massage their beliefs into something that can be achieved through cooperation. Gaston starts out as a smug believer in the caste system and realizes that he should be devoting himself to his fellows. Toki is an emotionless doll driven by violence and realizes that her pursuit of strength is something she doesn't have to give up her humanity to achieve.

Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Face me now, bitch!
#59264: Jul 11th 2020 at 6:53:43 AM

If they remake nocturne (Like the SMT V team wants to do) They need to fix some of the more aggravating aspects of the original, which, while still great, has some serious issues.

Like, this one..:

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RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
Professional Complainer
#59265: Jul 11th 2020 at 7:12:09 AM

Getting obliterated by Mot is a feature.

Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#59266: Jul 11th 2020 at 7:13:36 AM

Maybe.

A Bad Feature, that is, but a feature nonetheless.

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RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
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#59267: Jul 11th 2020 at 7:33:11 AM

Git gud.

(also that guy in the video is doing a low level run with bad demons)

Yumil Mad Archivist Since: Mar, 2016
Mad Archivist
#59268: Jul 11th 2020 at 7:45:07 AM

This is amazing.

"when you stare too long into the abyss, Xehanort takes advantage of the distraction to break into your house and steal all your shit."
Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Face me now, bitch!
#59269: Jul 11th 2020 at 7:46:29 AM

[up][up] Nah, Its just RNG.

If they made it less RNG based, it would be more manageable.

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#59270: Jul 11th 2020 at 8:49:47 AM

The most annoying thing about Nocturne is obviously shuffling through random demon skill learning for fifteen minutes to get the exact combination you want.

Onthe list of things to fix, that should be #1,

CybranGeneralSturm Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#59271: Jul 11th 2020 at 9:08:30 AM

Would the next thing on the list of stuff to fix be 'Make it so that the Demi-fiend learns skills from the Magatamas permanently, but can only set up to eight skills at any time' much like Digital Devil Saga?

Edited by CybranGeneralSturm on Jul 12th 2020 at 7:08:01 AM

RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
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#59272: Jul 11th 2020 at 9:13:43 AM

That (you might as well reset your game if you drop Focus at any point) and let you manually allocate skills during demon fusion.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#59273: Jul 11th 2020 at 3:37:58 PM

If they remake Nocturne, i do think they would give more interactions with our friends.

But if they give us the option to Waifu Chiaki, i'm going to be offended.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
Professional Complainer
#59274: Jul 11th 2020 at 5:53:48 PM

Nocturne already looks ageless. It's a ridiculously strong artstyle that masks the game's technical shortcomings (like why every demon building is made of square blocks).

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#59275: Jul 11th 2020 at 5:55:49 PM

Of note, it was the first SMT game with anything resembling decent production values.


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