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Smasher from The 1830's, but without the racists (Don’t ask) Relationship Status: The best thing that ever happened to a bum like me
#59076: Jul 2nd 2020 at 2:57:54 PM

I can't remember anything specific, but it's just more clear that we're fighting a fake and not the real deal. This is probably Atlus' way of trying to be less anti-religious than the parent series while not entirely betraying it.

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#59077: Jul 2nd 2020 at 2:59:13 PM

Generally the names of YH Vh are connected, and the last time they made a coherent timeline, Persona branched off from the Devil Summoner 1+ Soul Hackers timeline, which split off from the SMT timeline.

Demiurge, Shekinah, Yaldy, Nocturne Kagutsuchi are all YHVH. Metatron is Lesser YHWH, and for his part Yaldy in P5 acts and thinks like some of YHV Hs less savory interpretations.

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RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
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#59078: Jul 2nd 2020 at 3:11:42 PM

It's highly unlikely Yaldabaoth is canonically meant to be the Great Will's appearance in the Personaverse, but the similarities are enough that they might as well be the same character.

TrueShadow1 Since: Dec, 2012
#59079: Jul 2nd 2020 at 4:10:10 PM

Sometimes I think the fans think about the SMT-verse continuity way more than Atlus actually does.

As far as I'm concerned, Yaldy's the same as Erebus, Izanami, Arena's Kagutsuchi, and Mikuhatsune no Kami. Just another being born from human collective unconscious.

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#59080: Jul 2nd 2020 at 4:12:57 PM

So exactly like YHVH himself.

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MisterTambourineMan Unbeugsame Klinge from Under a tree Since: Jun, 2017 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
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#59081: Jul 2nd 2020 at 4:23:28 PM

People keep saying Atlus is trying to be less anti-religious, and it always turns out that that wasn't their actual intention.

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Smasher from The 1830's, but without the racists (Don’t ask) Relationship Status: The best thing that ever happened to a bum like me
#59082: Jul 2nd 2020 at 4:56:32 PM

The Yaldy in Persona 5 is just a very powerful shadow and has no connections to the real deal.

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#59083: Jul 2nd 2020 at 5:00:57 PM

Shadows and demons are basically the same thing. That was like, a point in Persona 2 and everything.

A distinction without a difference. Heck a number games are literally about how human emotion is what created demons andnthey have to feed on said emotion to continue exiting.

Or as DDS nicely put, Demons are in your DNA and are basically cannibal Personas.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#59084: Jul 2nd 2020 at 5:06:36 PM

I like the idea that the reason why YHVH and Yaldabaoth are so deranged and evil is because of humanity's desires.

After all, both are ultimately the creations of humanity.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 2nd 2020 at 5:06:54 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Smasher from The 1830's, but without the racists (Don’t ask) Relationship Status: The best thing that ever happened to a bum like me
#59085: Jul 2nd 2020 at 5:17:36 PM

Even then, Persona 5 Yaldy has nothing to do with YHVH and is a separate being from the one in NINE and Strange Journey. He's just a stand-in that also represents Law.

RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
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#59086: Jul 2nd 2020 at 5:19:31 PM

Shin Megami Tensei changes the rules of the whats, hows and whys of its demonology in just about every game (which is helped by the fact that they rarely share continuity). It's not worth thinking too hard about.

Remember when Nocturne blew up the SMT multiverse and then games just kept happening?

Edited by RodimusMinor on Jul 2nd 2020 at 8:19:57 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#59087: Jul 2nd 2020 at 5:21:38 PM

The only rule that never changes is that YHVH is always evil.

Always.

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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#59088: Jul 2nd 2020 at 5:24:10 PM

And the time the New Testament God was in a game she was an original character.

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RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
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#59089: Jul 2nd 2020 at 5:25:58 PM

Like there's a part in Shin Megami Tensei Devil Summoner for the Saturn/PSP where it turns out that the Demiurge is a minor Japanese politician working for the actual villain of the story. Anyone wanna try and work out how that fits into YHVH'S MO?

Edited by RodimusMinor on Jul 2nd 2020 at 8:26:08 AM

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#59090: Jul 2nd 2020 at 5:29:29 PM

The guy was an ex-member of the Phantom Society who seek to impose Order(Tyranny) upon the world.

Also something something Inarunna and her people are a weird Japanese human version of Mesopotamian mythology that were also foreigners. As Inarunna = Inanna.

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RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
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#59091: Jul 2nd 2020 at 5:30:39 PM

You're trying to tell me an aspect of YHVH would work as an underling for Sid Davis, a guy whose specialty is being really good at murder?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#59092: Jul 2nd 2020 at 5:30:53 PM

To think there’s at least one reality where Joker sold out & is now an agent of absolute order.

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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#59093: Jul 2nd 2020 at 5:31:37 PM

I mean YHV Hs solution to creating a world of Order is always mass murder, so you tell me!

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#59094: Jul 2nd 2020 at 5:33:19 PM

Well YHVH does care for his followers. Usually.

It's what happens to everyone else is the bad part.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#59095: Jul 2nd 2020 at 5:35:07 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6i4jnWu2jw

I just found out there is a harem valentines in Royal that was cut. Basically every girl is brainwashed to accepting Polyamory.

I know they cut this out because if a certain friend offered it, more players would say yes to the dream.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 2nd 2020 at 5:35:41 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
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#59096: Jul 2nd 2020 at 5:37:00 PM

Short answer is no. Long answer is that nobody working on these games cares about how the cosmology of the disparate titles work together.

There was a time where a vague continuity of split timelines existed but that more or less died with Persona 2 and since then every game series within the SMT umbrella is a nation unto itself. Sometimes you're a detective with a mirror dark world, sometimes you're a cannibal, and sometimes you're a stylish phantom thief (he said in an attempt to rerail this back into Persona territory).

Edited by RodimusMinor on Jul 2nd 2020 at 8:38:58 AM

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#59097: Jul 2nd 2020 at 5:38:24 PM

[up][up] Well, no one can say Atlus doesn't know their playerbase.

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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#59098: Jul 2nd 2020 at 5:39:12 PM

Died with Raidou Kuzunoha since that was when the last coherent timeline was produced, and was all about Lucifer and the main antagonist of the first game trying to prevent SMTI, II, and NINE from happening.

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#59099: Jul 2nd 2020 at 5:42:09 PM

Specifically in regards to Person and how the metaphysics work differently each game, the big example is how divided the mundane and supernatural are in Nu Persona.

It's very possible some posters here could lay a beating on Yu or Joker. They're specifically nothing but normal kids most of the time. Their powers only manifest in designated magic zones like the TV World or Metaverse. Contrast with P2 where you can just summon your Persona whenever and use it for feats of superhuman strength.

And then there's Persona 3 which is just confused because they wanted both "you're a normal everyday kid" and also "you're a superhero badass" but they hadn't quite segmented the two things apart from each other yet so nothing really makes sense or works.

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