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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#58926: Jun 28th 2020 at 10:14:08 PM

There's nothing wrong with "teenage boys go and try to find girls and end up failing miserabluy." It's something every person playing the game can identify with and laugh at.

But they keep adding stuff to that perfectly fine idea such as 'haha trans people" and "haha fat people". That's the problem and if they just cut those totally unnecessary additions, Operation Babe Hunt be just fine.

Edited by Nikkolas on Jun 28th 2020 at 10:15:00 AM

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#58927: Jun 28th 2020 at 10:15:12 PM

5's babehunt gets points for the boys realizing how scummy the entire thing and dropping it entirely.

[up]Trying to hit on girls who are clearly not interested is scummy.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Jun 28th 2020 at 1:15:58 PM

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Yumil Mad Archivist Since: Mar, 2016
Mad Archivist
#58928: Jun 28th 2020 at 10:15:30 PM

I mean, there are some actually pretty good jokes in the games. Aside from the usual sass from the dialogue options (marie got me rolling at the "it's short for steaaaaaaaaak"), junpei got me laughing in his very first appearance. Yukari goes to you and ask you to keep quiet about last night and how she doesn't want to start any rumors in front of him, and the look he gives her carries so many variations of "Yukari PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, REPRHASE THIS". It probably just so happens that this wasn't intended to beso much funnier than operation babe hunt.

The one time where he and kenji pull you out of a potentially extremely embarassing girlfriend war has the problem of relying on haha harem comedy but the actual scene was pretty funny to me too.

Although, gonna have to stop you right there nikk, I couldn't identify with that even if I tried and it just makes me cringe into a wall. And I'm pretty in touch with my teenager years considering how close those are.

Edited by Yumil on Jun 28th 2020 at 7:18:37 PM

"when you stare too long into the abyss, Xehanort takes advantage of the distraction to break into your house and steal all your shit."
Cosplaythief Since: Jun, 2013
#58929: Jun 28th 2020 at 10:21:14 PM

I'm trying to flush anything Kenji related from my mind so...

But I do find Junpei's ace detective routine funny. Also even flanderized I did enjoy Q2's funny interactions. I also laughed at a couple of things on P4 and P5 too. Even during operation babehunt. It's just the punchlines that are a bit too bleh for my taste. Though I admit the Yosuke pain was a bit funny. "Am I cursed" indeed, my boy.

Yumil Mad Archivist Since: Mar, 2016
Mad Archivist
#58930: Jun 28th 2020 at 10:48:19 PM

... Okay woah. that school trip managed to be worse than everyones makes it out to be.

Like woah. There isn't a single line Yosuke says in this that isn't completely fucking terrible.

Y'know, the worst part is that, prior to that and babe hunt, Yosuke had a couple of moments with kanji that painted the former pretty accepting of the latter. Like, right after beating his shadow, Yosuke volunteers himself to help him get back home and he doesn't say anything remotely implying he's afraid of being alone with Kanji, and he makes a couple of comments that are actually supportive of him being into girly hobbies after that.

If he had kept going, I could've bought the angle he was mostly making insensitive jokes he geninunely didn't meant. And. It's still not great. But I can live with a human being like that. I'd prefer having the option to call him out, but I could tolerate that kind of joke between friends, especially if he kept being supportive of kanji to balance it out.

But nah, he geniunely ask, in 100% serious mode, if he should be worried about sleeping in the same tent as kanji. What. The Fuck.

Between the stink in the tent, the guilt trip of the girls, and eating kanji's food without even a trace of remorse, that's a nice zero out of a lot.

I somewhat disagree with the narrative of "he assumed the girls knew how to cook because they're girls" because he had zero confidence in Chie and assumed Yukiko was good at it due to the whole inn stuff, so I don't buy the sexist reading on that one specifically, but it still speaks volume of how bad this scene is when the biggest point in his favor is that he isn't the worst theorically possible human being.

also, Yu's an asshole. Like, there's a point to make that he didn't helped with the cooking because the girls had to improve on their own and he was ready to face the dish that would ensue, and it would ties up pretty neatly with yukiko's confident, but. He heard the girls pick the ingredients. he knew how bad it would get. He should've stepped in.

It's a small miracle because the girls are also awful in this scene considering they even throw Kanji in the damn river, but it doesn't even come close to the shittiness of Yosuke in that scene.

For the love of god I hope it doesn't set the tone for the rest of the game forward.

Edited by Yumil on Jun 28th 2020 at 7:52:45 PM

"when you stare too long into the abyss, Xehanort takes advantage of the distraction to break into your house and steal all your shit."
Cosplaythief Since: Jun, 2013
#58931: Jun 28th 2020 at 10:58:26 PM

Honestly, maybe it's my mind playing tricks but I don't think Yosuke gets any worse towards Kanji than this, he won't get better though. He's still going to be an idiot when it comes to the girls though but I think it's manageable.

I can remember maybe only one more scene that's groan inducing two if you count the repeat but aside from that, I think it's manageable.

Edited by Cosplaythief on Jun 28th 2020 at 1:59:15 PM

ultimate_life_form Since: Aug, 2019
#58932: Jun 28th 2020 at 11:26:03 PM

...I'm pretty sure P4 was rushed. Persona.2 was 4 years after P1, P3 was 5 years after that, and P5 was 8 years after 4. But 4 was 2 years after 3, and it definitely feels rushed with it's weaker story, characters, and S-Links compared to the other games. H Ell, the setting itself feels lazier then the.other games.

Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#58933: Jun 28th 2020 at 11:31:30 PM

Let’s just say the plot of Persona 3 is remembered fondly for pretty much everything aside from the humor.

That can be said about this whole era of Persona, tbh.

I didn't find Persona 5 Royal a consistently hilarious game, but I still laughed out loud a fair few times. And I've found it difficult to laugh at much of anything within the past 5 years.

Edited by Karxrida on Jun 28th 2020 at 11:33:08 AM

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#58934: Jun 28th 2020 at 11:41:57 PM

[up][up] So I obviously disagree with all of that but the final part about the setting is the weirdest one since Inaba has far more focus than either bland generic island you never see any of from P3 or Tokyo in P5. Inaba is a character in its own right, to the extent that Golden even added a happy ending for it where its small town charm isn't swept away by encroaching megacorps. Which of course was a pretty decent plot points in the main game. Inaba's various plights are front and center in P4's narrative to the extent they even have some relevance to the Killer and various other major and minor characters.

I don't see how its setting is in any way underdeveloped given how critical it was to the game's atmosphere in a way P3 Island never was.

Edited by Nikkolas on Jun 28th 2020 at 11:46:00 AM

Yumil Mad Archivist Since: Mar, 2016
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#58935: Jun 28th 2020 at 11:52:44 PM

yeah, I'm not going to pretend 4 has a flawless record on the social links because so far the fox is really uninteresting, but trying to claim that they're significantly weaker than those in p3 despite p3 having just as many stinkers before p3p feels pretty rich. I know you love 3, man, and there may be some truth to the idea the overall game was less polished because of the short timespan, but going this far is just undermining yourself.

"when you stare too long into the abyss, Xehanort takes advantage of the distraction to break into your house and steal all your shit."
ultimate_life_form Since: Aug, 2019
#58936: Jun 28th 2020 at 11:55:17 PM

I more so meant P 3 P... Yea, P3 has bad S-Link (Kenji), I just...didn't like P4's...especially the party member ones

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#58937: Jun 29th 2020 at 12:02:49 AM

Also Keep wanting to interject with this but never find a good time. Well now seems fine.

P4's soundtrack? So many amazing dungeon themes. Great track after great track.

That is, once you get passed the first two dungeons. I dunno what it was but man did they ever strike out really badly. The Castle is honestly an awful, awful dungeon for the first dungeon and while in most JRPG's you can say "at least the music was good" you can't even say that here. Just a total disaster, save for Shadow Yukiko saying 'ASS "hilariously because Amanda Winn-Lee is the best and everyone should read her Twitter. Rei, Yukiko, hates Trump and smokes weed, the lady is perfect.

But yeah, once you get passed those stinkers, Rise's dungeon and onward have amazing, amazing themes with Marie's (awful) dungeon having the best dungeon theme in the series, IMO. But they really dropped the ball to start off with.

Yumil Mad Archivist Since: Mar, 2016
Mad Archivist
#58938: Jun 29th 2020 at 12:13:28 AM

I didn't mind castle but yeah, the bathouse theme was real boring.

"when you stare too long into the abyss, Xehanort takes advantage of the distraction to break into your house and steal all your shit."
EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#58939: Jun 29th 2020 at 12:14:55 AM

keep in mind that Persona 4 was on the same system as 3.

i have literally zero doubt that the difference in development times is almost entirely due to needing to design the game from the ground up due to being on a different system between 2 > 3 and 4 > 5

3 and 4 both being on PS 2 meant that a lot less time needed to be spent on making a whole new game when it game to 4, because they already had the engine from 3, and later on FES

Edited by EpicBleye on Jun 29th 2020 at 3:19:25 PM

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I-M-THE-Jetyl-1 the Original Jetyl Since: Oct, 2019
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#58940: Jun 29th 2020 at 1:12:15 AM

Yeah, I would never say Persona is a "funny" series, especially not 3. Persona 3 has the least forced comedy segments, with, I wanna say like 2-3 comedy segments (only remember operation babe hunt, and the hot springs incident, but I wanna say there was at least one more). its segments aren't any better, but it gets off best by having the least. Really, the vibe I'd best describe the feel of day to day P3 is Chill.


Yeah 4 was made in the same engine as 3, which does mean it could have a faster turn around, but it also means they likely had tighter deadlines from higher up, because they'd expect it to get done faster, thus they could have been given less time overall.

Edited by I-M-THE-Jetyl-1 on Jun 29th 2020 at 1:13:19 AM

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Smasher from The 1830's, but without the racists (Don’t ask) Relationship Status: The best thing that ever happened to a bum like me
#58942: Jun 29th 2020 at 9:35:30 AM

Is it true that the first three games (Persona 1, Innocent Sin and Eternal Punishment) have aged so poorly that they have no merit anymore aside from the story?

Edited by Smasher on Jun 29th 2020 at 1:56:57 PM

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#58943: Jun 29th 2020 at 9:38:53 AM

Honestly, while I admit I didn't do a lot of the social links in P3 and 4, I remember 3's especially being rather underwhelming for the most part. The only remotely memorable ones to my recollection are Chihiro and Elizabeth (who isn't technically an s link).

One thing I will give credit to 5 for is that the confidants, on the whole, were better than most of the slinks from those two games.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#58944: Jun 29th 2020 at 9:54:23 AM

Yea, every Confidant was pretty memorable as opposed to the one or two outside of the main party for 3 and 4

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#58945: Jun 29th 2020 at 10:06:34 AM

[up][up] Sun Boy in 3 is pretty good, and set the tone for how some Tragic S-links are written (Death in 4 and And to an extent Hanged Man in 5) as some of the better ones in each game.

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vicarious vicarious from NC, USA Since: Feb, 2013
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#58946: Jun 29th 2020 at 10:37:23 AM

The Persona 1 game and Persona 2 duology?

The gameplay is inferior to current Persona models. The story they tell is still remarkable and well worth it. The PSP remakes made it more tolerable, but would still benefit from another remake to update it to current standards.

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#58947: Jun 29th 2020 at 10:45:54 AM

Yeah, it's a solid midpoint between more accessible and the SMT style and atmosphere. Devil Survivor 1 and 2 are the better games for that, but 1 and the 2 games aren't like what modern Persona does. It's a lot moodier and focused on plot, and doesn't have the slow starts and fantasy worlds of 3-5, which has its own appeal.

Maki, Yukino, Maya, and Jun are some of my favorite characters in the whole franchise.

ultimate_life_form Since: Aug, 2019
#58948: Jun 29th 2020 at 10:48:29 AM

I liked a lot of P3's S-Links, but Kenji's is possibly my least favorite in the damn franchise.

I think P 3 P's Fe MC has my favorite collection of S-Links/Confidants in the franchise.

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#58949: Jun 29th 2020 at 11:16:53 AM

Persona 2 Innocent Sin is my second favorite Persona game for its atmosphere and characters and music. Eternal Punishment had some great stuff in it, like vastly improved gameplay, Ellie and the final boss, but overall was much less compelling.

But yeah, they're not what I'd call actually fun to play, especially since the encounter rate is absurd. They show very clearly that having "real dungeons" is not a guaranteed good thing compared to P3's and 4's randomized dungeons.

This all being said, I still have to sort of try to recommend actually playing them since just watching scenes on YT isn't the same thing at all. It's complicated.

Although if I might ramble for a second...

The truly best "Persona games" might be Devil Survivor 2 and Shin Megami Tensei IV Apocalypse. Spoilers and all that - I would hate to remove the awesome feeling of playing these great games for the first time. But my main point is that it be awesome if Persona truly allowed you to come into conflict with your friends. You'd appreciate your bond with them so much more afterward.

I almost wish P6 to have a route where you have to fight some of your friends. These bonds take on a whole new meaning when you are clashing with them, potentially even killing them. SMTIVA and Devil Survivor 2 were as much about finding a group of companions you love and cherish as any Persona game but it gave you the option to confronting and differing from them in your ideals. The result is that you come to value that bond even more than you thought. Like Isabeau, a character I cared nothing about in SMTIV until she stood in my path to save the world and even gave her own life rather than let me kill her. It's far worse in the infinitely better written sequel where you have to mow down friend after friend. Toki and Navarre especially broke my heart. These were characters I deeply loved and beating the utterly helpless Navarre to death or executing Toki as she lay helpless and said she loved me - makes you feel ill.

Persona needs this. You'd love your friends even more if you had to fight them. You'd realize how much you loved them and how much you'd do to avoid fighting them.

Edited by Nikkolas on Jun 29th 2020 at 11:18:54 AM

CybranGeneralSturm Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#58950: Jun 29th 2020 at 11:21:16 AM

I honestly don't count SMT IV Apocalypse as a Persona game. I would instead count it as SMT x Persona.


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