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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#58826: Jun 28th 2020 at 12:23:47 PM

Hey if ya wanna make the friendships more realistic give me the option to dope-slap Yosuke when he does something stupid.

Cause a real friend would go “Dude WTF” whenever he does something dumb. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#58827: Jun 28th 2020 at 12:27:44 PM

[up]You joke, but that would legitimately be an improvement. Instead of the game tacitly approving of Yosuke's shittiness by never calling him on it, let the player call them out and make it clear that he's being a dick. If he keeps doing it for the whole game it still wouldn't be great, but at least it'd be something.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
Yumil Mad Archivist Since: Mar, 2016
Mad Archivist
#58828: Jun 28th 2020 at 12:29:06 PM

I don't know how the actual scene goes down, for that matter, but I liked the way the setup is handled. Chie claims she could totes cook just fine, which Yosuke seriously doubts despite admitting he himself suck at it and jokes that chie could be even worse at it. So at least at first, he doesn't assume Chie knows to cook specifically because she's a girl, and the scene made it smooth enough to come off as playful banter rather than outright insults like other scenes do.

I kinda hope how bad the payoff to that scene is overblown because the setup wasn't nearly as bad as some people make it out to be.

Also yeah, the natural dynamic to tolerate a friend's bad side is to be allowed to call it out. Otherwise, that's just enabling bigotry.

Edited by Yumil on Jun 28th 2020 at 9:30:35 PM

"when you stare too long into the abyss, Xehanort takes advantage of the distraction to break into your house and steal all your shit."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#58829: Jun 28th 2020 at 12:32:11 PM

I’m kinda reminded of Big Bang Theory where despite apparently disapproving Leonard does nothing but enable his friends constant inappropriate behavior.

He is a bad friend.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 28th 2020 at 12:32:29 PM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#58830: Jun 28th 2020 at 12:32:46 PM

Yumil

The arguments for P3's supposed superiority is all based on how SEES aren't friends, how they are a team of cliques who are friends with the other persons in that clique but otherwise aren't very close.

It has none of the concentrated "these people are your family" of P4 or P5. And some people prefer it that way.

@ Jovian

You've always had this determined anti-Yosuke bias and blindness to the girls' faults in this game.

Firstly, the game starts with Chie kicking Yosuke in the nuts for breaking her DVD, even after he offered to pay for it. So we've got unprovoked physical assault to a pretty densitive part of the body. A hit in the testicles is like going after somebody's eyes.

Now, when it comes to the girls' cooking, they actively refuse to follow instructions. Nobody forced them to do this. They willfully make food they know is no good and maybe even dangerous given how Yu faints from a taste.

So the girls have now attacked Yosuke and poisoned him.

Edited by Nikkolas on Jun 28th 2020 at 12:34:09 PM

RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
Professional Complainer
#58831: Jun 28th 2020 at 12:36:30 PM

I don't know why you bring that up like it excuses him guilting the girls into dressing up in swimsuits for his sexual gratification.

Twice.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#58832: Jun 28th 2020 at 12:37:46 PM

That's just how debate with him goes. I wouldn't engage for that reason personally.

Yumil Mad Archivist Since: Mar, 2016
Mad Archivist
#58833: Jun 28th 2020 at 12:39:16 PM

[up][up][up]Yes, p3 has a different group dynamic from p4. Here's the thing : it's still exactly the same emotionnal appeal as p4, because it's a matter of what one values more. people who find the p3 dynamic more true to their life are always going to be drawn to it more than 4 and vice versa.

That's the same reason you'll never see me like the nanako and dojima dynamic because I liked Sojiro letting me do my thing alone and not have to actually live with him. I don't hold the "living together" part of a family at it's core appeal.

also, there's a problem with the fundamental affirmation that you either love 4 as much as you do or the game doesn't click at all. There's room for liking it, a lot even, and still thinking it does things that matter to you poorly enough that you simply like the others more. Only a few people here want to prop up one of the three games at the expense of the others and you don't need to do that to convey how much you like 4.

Edited by Yumil on Jun 28th 2020 at 9:41:41 PM

"when you stare too long into the abyss, Xehanort takes advantage of the distraction to break into your house and steal all your shit."
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#58834: Jun 28th 2020 at 12:39:28 PM

I think Raj is the worst of the bunch on that front, but fair enough.

The legend has returned.
Yumil Mad Archivist Since: Mar, 2016
Mad Archivist
#58835: Jun 28th 2020 at 12:40:29 PM

wait who's raj

"when you stare too long into the abyss, Xehanort takes advantage of the distraction to break into your house and steal all your shit."
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#58836: Jun 28th 2020 at 12:42:22 PM

hey guys, hey guys. Did you know it's possible to not like something, and that it's perfectly valid to do so. It's also possible to completely accept that somebody doesn't like something that you like without feeling like you need to defend it.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#58837: Jun 28th 2020 at 12:43:19 PM

Hey I wouldn’t say any of these games are bad, they all have their flaws but it’s not like any of them are outright terrible.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
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Yumil Mad Archivist Since: Mar, 2016
Mad Archivist
#58839: Jun 28th 2020 at 12:50:23 PM

Thanks.

"when you stare too long into the abyss, Xehanort takes advantage of the distraction to break into your house and steal all your shit."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#58840: Jun 28th 2020 at 12:53:11 PM

Oh no Raj is pretty terrible but ya know Howard hacks into databases to spy on women & Sheldon always makes it a point to bring in gender in whenever he’s belitling a woman.

Even when called in on discrimination in the workplace, Sheldon couldn’t not insult the woman who can pretty much fire him for being a sexist twit.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 28th 2020 at 12:53:55 PM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#58841: Jun 28th 2020 at 12:53:53 PM

I don't know why you bring that up like it excuses him guilting the girls into dressing up in swimsuits for his sexual gratification.
Exactly. The argument "Chie is a jerk too" is not a defense of Yosuke's behavior.

There's room for liking it, a lot even, and still thinking it does things that matter to you poorly enough that you simply like the others more.
Yeah, I should be clear, I don't hate Persona 4, I just think it has the most problems out of the modern trilogy. Even Yosuke is entertaining when he's being the Unlucky Everydude who's just excited to help his friends even through it seems like the universe itself is out to get him.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#58842: Jun 28th 2020 at 12:57:24 PM

@Yumil

That's perfectly fair. I like P3 and always have. I like all Persona games save 5 and I've never been shy about saying as much.

Cross (Don’t ask)
#58843: Jun 28th 2020 at 12:58:26 PM

Most of what I caught of that shows paints Sheldon as The Friend Nobody Likes, so how much does he count towards this?

Smasher from The 1830's, but without the racists (Don’t ask) Relationship Status: The best thing that ever happened to a bum like me
#58844: Jun 28th 2020 at 12:58:48 PM

Finished Royal last night. It's too bad we don't get goodbye presents from Maruki and Yoshizawa, but on the last day we do get to see characters that only appear in confidants.

What was the deal with the father in the new area? He's talking with his son about how they'll make more time for each other, and he turns around and thanks Ren. How did I help him?

And I like the vanilla ending more than the royal ending, aside from the possibility of Akechi being alive.

Has anyone written a fanfic of Ren/Akira trying to snap the confidants out of their Marukiland delusions? It would be interesting to see the ideal realities of all of them. Maybe even the other palace owners! Sae, Futaba, Madarame, and Okumura appear, but what about Kaneshiro and Kamoshida? And if everyone is supposed to be happy, why is Shido still disgraced?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#58845: Jun 28th 2020 at 1:01:13 PM

[up][up] He regularly irritates everyone to the point that it’s not uncommon for them all to collectively prank him.

Like there moments of actual friendship but for the most part it feels like they are a hairs lenght from coming to blows.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Cosplaythief Since: Jun, 2013
#58846: Jun 28th 2020 at 1:50:50 PM

I think Junpei is a better bro to Fe MC than to P 3 MC.

And Ryuji is a great bro but I'm sad that he didn't let me profess my love for him at the cultural festival. He just wasn't ready to go public. =(

Edited by Cosplaythief on Jun 28th 2020 at 4:51:32 AM

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#58847: Jun 28th 2020 at 1:58:35 PM

I for one hated Junpei in vanilla P3, he was just so bad and barely got any development that wasn't connected to Chidori. P 3 P though made me actually love him, the one true Bro of the Persona franchise. A good S-link does WONDERS.

Honestly over all I just ended up being neutral to Yosuke, the campout was the low point but he got better over the course of the game with his slink, dungeon convos, and especially in Golden.

And Ryuji was annoying constantly and never got better especially with Morgana and the Yusuke arc. His only good moment was the scene with Ann at the gym, which was out of character for him.

Edited by Memers on Jun 28th 2020 at 2:06:15 AM

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#58848: Jun 28th 2020 at 2:05:16 PM

The problem with Yosukes shittiness is that its a mouthpiece for the player, and they're very clear this is the case in the game.

So it reflects as much on him(Yu) as it would on Yosuke. Even worse in some regards because he actually can flirt with men and cause existential crisis in them while agreeing with Yosuke in how EW GAY Kanji is.

This is a problem neither 3 nor 5 suffer from because the wingman isn't a mouthpiece for Y(o)u. Its why Im more unforgiving to Chie because she isn't a mouthpiece for the player, so all of her shittiness is entirely her.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jun 28th 2020 at 2:09:01 AM

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Cosplaythief Since: Jun, 2013
#58849: Jun 28th 2020 at 2:34:03 PM

Ryuji's thing was that he clearly let the fame get to his head. It's a bit like Mishima in a way.

I don't mind because on 10/27 he does call the MC and realised that he's been an idiot all this time and let the popularity get to him. He appologizes and you can tell him it's not too late. I like that.

The Ann at the gym thing is not out of character for him because he doesn't end up getting tricked into doing stuff for girls when they obvious pull the sexy card on him. That and he teases Ann a lot when it's to her face.

Ryuji is also quick to tell people who blame themselves that it's not their fault. Which is probably why he doesn't like to take the blame or accept the blame to be put on him. It's a bad trait but consistent with a good trait.

He is a flawed character whose flaws are not "look how quirky I am" and that's something I enjoy a lot. Specially when everyone else is so frustratingly perfect.

His beef with Morgana irks me for personal reasons because I had a Morgana that kept insulting my weight back in high school and I endured it to try not to bring down the mood with my group of friends. But after I lost weight I ended up making a similar remark to the person and she went full Wounded Gazelle Gambit me. I was forced to apologize too and that sucked. I think Ryuji did take it too far with the useless talk and I wish his apology wasn't half assed but I can't hate him for that.

Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Face me now, bitch!
#58850: Jun 28th 2020 at 2:37:09 PM

The Third Semester in Royal really helps flesh everyone out a lot more then in Vanilla, and for the better.

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