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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#58476: Jun 8th 2020 at 11:44:34 AM

I mean, if they can balance other party members' persona to be useful for the whole game, why not the protagonists? And there's no reason why you couldn't have the starter persona in addition to all your normal persona slots instead of permanently taking up a slot.

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RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
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#58477: Jun 8th 2020 at 11:53:30 AM

In SMT Soul Hackers you're given an artificial demon who levels up and acquires new abilities by repeatedly getting fused with other demons. It could work like that.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#58478: Jun 8th 2020 at 1:01:43 PM

Persona 3 and up always let you make whatever version of the Starting Persona you wanted. All that changed were the mechanics to do so becoming easier for the player. Royal make the process the least time consuming if you have the right things at the time.

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#58479: Jun 8th 2020 at 1:03:29 PM

5 and Royal Also lets you basically Stea-er I mean, borrow persona's from other protags, so...

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EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#58480: Jun 8th 2020 at 5:26:51 PM

[up] and they're all busted

*remembers the sheer damage of izanagi-no-okami picaro and shudders*

even kaguya, one of the lowest level protag personas, remains stupid useful even into the end of the game thanks to innate null bless/curse, learning repel phys (and having a trait to triple counter damage), and having the most powerful bless skill available.

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Yumil Mad Archivist Since: Mar, 2016
Mad Archivist
#58481: Jun 8th 2020 at 6:45:25 PM

A protag-persona that is balanced in the exact same way as the other teammates's persona with a passive to gain exp regardless of whether or not it's used in combat could probably work. It kinda feels like a holdover from older persona games where the 1 character = 1 element dynamic was less preponderent - Shinjiro and Aigis used no elements, two different people were using Agi skills (and orpheus would have made this three), and I don't think anyone was really specialized in bless skills. arsene on the other hand is built on the exact same template every other persona from the protags uses but it stops learning skills immediately anyway.

Royale sorta adds insult to injury in that even Raoul is spectacularly unremarkable as a late-game persona despite being Arsene's final form. Orpheus might have been terrible but Messiah and orpheus Telos were good enough to warrant being used.

Edited by Yumil on Jun 8th 2020 at 3:46:08 PM

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Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#58482: Jun 8th 2020 at 6:48:23 PM

Raoul is also paid DLC, which is dumb.

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#58483: Jun 8th 2020 at 7:17:21 PM

And isnt even as good as the other third tiers are.

At most forcing sleep on mobs is his only grace.

But it does allow Satanel to be the cooler persoba so [tup] in my book.

Modern Arsene sucks. Praise Gnostic Lucifer.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jun 8th 2020 at 7:19:20 AM

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#58484: Jun 8th 2020 at 7:28:26 PM

So guess who just got done with an LP of Persona 1, finally experiencing it at long last? I really liked the story and characters for the most part (though Nanjo could get grating) but just from the commentary I could tell that the... not-very-good reviews of the gameplay are legit - particular standouts being the bizarre EXP system which is dependent on how much damage each character does, making it doubly hard to get your weaker dudes up to snuff, and the moment where an extremely shoehorned Your Princess Is in Another Castle! moment forces you to go through a very long dungeon twice.

What especially surprised me was how minor Igor and the Velvet denizens are, really having no more impact on the actual story than a generic shopkeeper; is it in 2 where they first become legitimately important? As mentioned I liked the story and lore a lot; hews a good bit closer to mainline SMT than Hashino-era Persona but definitely has some themes and motifs that persist in the series, particularly the contrast between reality and an illusory ideal.

RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
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#58485: Jun 8th 2020 at 7:29:54 PM

Just read the manga.

Persona 1 has the foundations of the best battle system in the series and arguably all of SMT

CybranGeneralSturm Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#58486: Jun 8th 2020 at 7:32:35 PM

Um, not everyone agrees with you, Rodimus. I prefer Press Turn system since you can screw over enemies by making your team immune to stuff and cost the enemy their turns by making them hit immunities.

Edited by CybranGeneralSturm on Jun 8th 2020 at 7:36:41 AM

RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
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#58487: Jun 8th 2020 at 7:35:09 PM

Okay?

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#58488: Jun 8th 2020 at 8:03:42 PM

I think he's assuming you're a contrarian or shill.

RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
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#58489: Jun 8th 2020 at 8:07:45 PM

I am probably at least one of those.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#58490: Jun 8th 2020 at 8:08:13 PM

I'm a persona 5 shill and proud of it.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#58491: Jun 8th 2020 at 8:22:32 PM

Kandori and Shadow Maki's plan seemed similar to the White is SMTIV. Shinado in Raidou 2 was the same way. Atlus clearly doesn't like pretentious nihilists, but then again that's not exactly uncommon.

Edited by HamburgerTime on Jun 8th 2020 at 10:23:25 AM

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#58492: Jun 8th 2020 at 8:23:22 PM

Shinafo has multiple personalities split between Sadness and Anger.

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RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
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#58493: Jun 8th 2020 at 8:25:13 PM

It was pretty cool that P1 examined the idea of actually becoming godlike. Kandori gets everything he wants with no effort on his part and... he absolutely hates it. He's despondent and politely asks the heroes to kill him because with his infinite power he can't even fathom a reason to be alive anymore.

But then Nanjo runs his mouth off, as he is want to do, so Kandori becomes Super Guido.

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#58494: Jun 9th 2020 at 8:20:17 AM

The Maki examination stuff is also neat, though that really only pays off once you have the bigger picture. But yeah, 1 has some great stuff in its own right. I really miss 1 and 2, where there wasn't so much RPG larping going on. In those games, you got guns to do real damage against real demons attacking real people. 5 kinda loses some of its sting when half the Palace stuff is just happening in someone's head and you use toys and larp costumes to get it done. Makes Persona-empowered heroes more important IMO when they're more like street superheroes saving real civilians.

RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
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#58495: Jun 9th 2020 at 8:35:23 AM

Yeah the explicit real world twisted by magic god powers is a lot cooler than jumping into a fantasy world to fight.

Though I suppose Maki's Ideal World is kind of a proto-Palace?

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#58496: Jun 9th 2020 at 8:58:02 AM

That's exactly what it is. I don't think there's been a Persona game where something supernatural wasn't the reason Persona could be summoned in the real world.

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#58497: Jun 9th 2020 at 9:43:02 AM

Someone like Maki would completely shatter the scale of a modern Persona if she weren't a final boss. It's not just making a city-sized Palace of her own either, she has several versions of her mind running around, and she's able to convince almost everyone inside that this was always how the world worked. And she's able to bring in regular humans too.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#58498: Jun 9th 2020 at 9:43:53 AM

I assume that's due to the buff from the deva system.

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#58499: Jun 9th 2020 at 11:20:30 AM

So Atlus has made a Creator page on Steam. I wouldn't get my hopes up too much for this but I can't imagine they would do that if they weren't planning on releasing more than one or two things. P 4 G is being rumored but honestly Id only really want the Persona 2 ports, P3 and Royal. I would love for ports of other SMT games as well but that might be too much to hope for.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#58500: Jun 9th 2020 at 1:02:01 PM

Guess this more or less confirms it, Golden and P3 are coming to Steam

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