And you're also laser-focusing on the cooking thing and completely ignoring all the other things that I listed which contribute to Yosuke being a dumpster fire of a human being.
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.As has already been answered by Cosplay Thief, yeah Yosuke's not going to winnany decent human being awards ever, but this doesn't make the anime reactions and the like not ss insufferable as it.
And there's already holes in your argument like 1: they didn't have food to cook with. As part of that aweful joke both of them used all the food they had. So you can't even try to teach them to cook. 2. That requires shaking the status quo, which the game loves even more than anything that rocking the boat to improve is too life altering. To the point it outright ignores any developement they had in their Social Links(Arena spinoff outright has them rehashing old issues) to show how they aren't even allowed to be challenged. So the narrative itself won't ever let that happen.
2. Yosuke is a mouthpiece of Yu for the entire game. Which means half the stuff he spews from his mouth including the shitty ones like EW GAY are also supposed to be viewpoints of Yu himself. Yu can cook but chooses not to teach them or defend them because his viewpoint is the same as Yosuke's which is not good.
Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.It has a message. Whether it's good at conveying it is a different story.
Royal actually does pretty well in that regards to the new story added after the originals Final Boss.
Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.I kinda skipped the conversation, but if we're still talking about what Yosuke does, compared to what the girls do, we should all just agree that both sides are awful at times.
One Strip! One Strip!Persona 4 came out when most of our generation were still in high school I'm assuming, so a game about a bunch of stupid teenagers that had to face their inner insecurities with a self insert protagonist that can date a bunch of cute girls seem revolutionary at the time.
Fast forward to 2020 and we're all adults with jobs and think that shit is stupid. P3 and P5 tend to get more praise for their themes than the cliche'd anime shit.
Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on May 20th 2020 at 1:02:13 PM
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.Chie's worst story beat that never gets brought up is her spending all of Yosuke's money without asking him and telling him it'll be fine because he can just earn/borrow more.
Consider when 4 and Golden came out, and that is a really terrible thing to say.
Bewitching EyesP4's main problem in terms of theming is that it comes off as a Space Whale Aesop. Persona 3 is "death is inevitable, but that doesn't mean your choices don't matter". P5 is "you can make the world a better place by standing up to corruption, even when they're in positions of authority". P4 is "if you accept yourself for who you are, even the parts you hate, then you can avoid being murdered by the physical manifestation of your id and also catch a serial killer I guess".
P4 doesn't mesh its themes and its plot nearly as well as P3 or P5.
Edited by NativeJovian on May 20th 2020 at 1:24:43 PM
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.Not quite. Persona 4 is about figuring out the answer to Persona 3'd theme. Specifically, if Persona's 3''s answer about Death is trying our best to live life to the fullest regardless, then Persona 4 is a game asking us what it means to do just that. The conclusion is that living our lives to the fullest means making connections with people you can rely on and who can rely on you in turn, even if we won't always be around them as much as we like to be.
The problem is more on 5's end, where it doesn't do anything with its themes of social issues because every issue is just some asshole disrupting the status quo instead of someone who's a byproduct of a larger issue with societal norms.
Except for Royals new final boss, which seems to be a answer to that specific criticism.
Watch SymphogearWow this thread's become so negative. We're literally debating which game flubbed its message the worst right now.
As I said I still believe the Hashino games all still contain much more good than bad, not that the bad isn't noticeable in some cases (the cruel humor, the bungled handling of LGBT characters).
Except for Lala Escargot somehow. I think she's still pretty cool.
One Strip! One Strip!If P4's theme of "hard truths" was going to tie into the murder mystery plot, then the murders would have had to have been their fault — or at least something they could have stopped if they had been honest with themselves, but instead they let themselves be blinded by comfortable lies. Instead it's... just kind of a mundane murder mystery, and their failure to solve it until the end has nothing to do with willful blindness to difficult truths.
Edited by NativeJovian on May 20th 2020 at 1:46:27 PM
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.

P4's aged like milk.
Edited by RodimusMinor on May 20th 2020 at 11:57:44 AM