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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#58126: May 17th 2020 at 4:47:45 PM

My stance.

Yosuke is an asshole a lot of time.

And some of the shit Chie does to him (spending his cash on Teddie's clothes) is extremely low, even with his assholishness into account. Like I said before, I feel like she'd be doing a lot of this stuff even without his tendency to be an ass, and him being an ass is only there to justify her treatment of him.

So basically, they're both awful.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#58127: May 17th 2020 at 4:54:04 PM

I would like Teddie more if his voice wasn't so grating. Like I kinda wished they went the Vocal Dissonance route and gave him a stereotypical narrator voice or something.

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supernintendo128 Semi-retired editor from My desk Since: Feb, 2013 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
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#58128: May 17th 2020 at 4:54:58 PM

My stance:

Persona 4 becomes a lot funnier if you just accept that all of the characters are assholes in their own ways. If you want likable characters, just play Persona 3 or 5.

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ultimate_life_form Since: Aug, 2019
#58129: May 17th 2020 at 4:56:13 PM

I mean... when were Naoto and Rise assholes?

MisterTambourineMan Unbeugsame Klinge from Under a tree Since: Jun, 2017 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
Unbeugsame Klinge
#58130: May 17th 2020 at 4:57:05 PM

I am saddened by how 4s reception has curdled so badly over the years.

Nach jeder Ebbe kommt die Flut.
RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
Professional Complainer
#58131: May 17th 2020 at 4:58:08 PM

It was 2008 and anime was still cool.

ultimate_life_form Since: Aug, 2019
#58132: May 17th 2020 at 4:58:52 PM

4 isn't a bad game, but 2, 3, and 5 are all masterpieces, which makes 4 look much worse then it really is. It's a really good JRPG... but these other one's are just way better.

Pretty much, Overshadowed by Awesome. That trope defines Persona 4.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#58133: May 17th 2020 at 4:59:09 PM

Eh popularity polonomial or something like that.

We'll prolly be back to praising it by the time 6 comes out.

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MisterTambourineMan Unbeugsame Klinge from Under a tree Since: Jun, 2017 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
Unbeugsame Klinge
#58134: May 17th 2020 at 5:00:37 PM

The only scene in 4 I can say I really didn't like was the bit at the hot springs. I generealy enjoyed the light, slice-of-life scenes. Most of them actually do a good job of selling the IT as a group of friends, and I think people have forgotten about all but a few they can complain about.

Edited by MisterTambourineMan on May 17th 2020 at 5:01:03 AM

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supernintendo128 Semi-retired editor from My desk Since: Feb, 2013 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
Semi-retired editor
#58135: May 17th 2020 at 5:01:26 PM

Rise faked tears once to get her way and is possessive of the protagonist, even if you're dating another girl (though this doesn't apply to me since I actually romanced her). As for Naoto, I admit that my point doesn't apply to her. She's honestly the most level-headed of the group.

I still really enjoy Persona 4. Yes, some jokes really don't hold up very well but I think it's still a fun experience.

Edited by supernintendo128 on May 17th 2020 at 7:01:41 AM

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ultimate_life_form Since: Aug, 2019
#58136: May 17th 2020 at 5:02:11 PM

I like Persona 4... but I just don't think it stacks up compared to the other games. I do think Persona 4 would be better if it was darker and Adachi was the main villain, and Izanami wasn't a thing. The game's Lighter and Softer nature hurts it because it's supposed to be a murder mystery... but there are only three victims which you never even get to know, or are a Hate Sink.

I honestly think the game would be better if Nanako WAS Killed Off for Real.

MisterTambourineMan Unbeugsame Klinge from Under a tree Since: Jun, 2017 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
Unbeugsame Klinge
#58137: May 17th 2020 at 5:05:00 PM

I actually didn't like Rise that much on my initial playthrough, mainly because it felt like she didn't do anything for your during fights, compared to Fuuka's Enemy Scan ability. My opinion of her grew when I realized I was often rewarded for picking the most outrageous dialogue options during her events.

I'll also have to disagree that 3 is better than 4. I love both games, but I think 4 has both a stronger narrative and better gameplay.

Nach jeder Ebbe kommt die Flut.
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#58138: May 17th 2020 at 5:08:46 PM

Adachi's still my favorite villain in the Persona games, even after the likes of Kamoshida, Shido, etc.

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ultimate_life_form Since: Aug, 2019
#58139: May 17th 2020 at 5:08:48 PM

...what.

I can see the gameplay, (except for Portable) but how the hell is Persona 4's narrative better then Persona 3's Hell, Persona 4 has the weakest narrative in the franchise IMO because of the fact that it has no real stakes to it because no one dies in the TV World after you gain access to it. Imagine if you had to choose between different characters to save and one had to die and the other lived at some point. That would've been interesting.

Chariot King of Anime Since: Jul, 2014
King of Anime
#58140: May 17th 2020 at 5:08:50 PM

Honestly the only part of P4 I didn't like was Yosuke's homophobia but beyond that, I didn't really have a problem with the slice of life.

MisterTambourineMan Unbeugsame Klinge from Under a tree Since: Jun, 2017 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
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#58141: May 17th 2020 at 5:12:56 PM

[up][up] That makes it sound like you're considering quality in terms of how dark the story is. 4 has a clear goal and does a much better job of introducing characters to the plot. 3 is often just "Hey here's this new party member". It also tends to meander a lot more, with the characters taking a long time to develop any particular goal and the monster-of-the-month format simply isn't as interesting or memorable as the neuroses-based dungeons.

Edited by MisterTambourineMan on May 17th 2020 at 5:13:46 AM

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ultimate_life_form Since: Aug, 2019
#58142: May 17th 2020 at 5:14:42 PM

Fair enough, but on the other hand Persona 3 also does a far better job with the characters and the stakes, and has a MUCH more interesting finale.

Seriously, the final month is one of my favorite moments in gaming history.

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#58143: May 17th 2020 at 5:15:11 PM

The Mosnter of the Month just needed more impressive Tarot themed dungeons.

I do wish they'd stop with the 11thHourSuperpower stuff. Its not a good trend. P5 manages to partly break it in Royal where he disconnects Takuto from Adam.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on May 17th 2020 at 5:16:42 AM

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asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#58144: May 17th 2020 at 5:17:02 PM

The best character trait for Rise is that she's actually quite a skilled cook, it's just that she likes really spicy food.

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MisterTambourineMan Unbeugsame Klinge from Under a tree Since: Jun, 2017 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
Unbeugsame Klinge
#58145: May 17th 2020 at 5:18:33 PM

3 does have a great endgame, but it takes a while to build up to that level.

Nach jeder Ebbe kommt die Flut.
CybranGeneralSturm Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#58146: May 17th 2020 at 5:18:42 PM

To be honest, when it comes to Persona 4, if the plot mandated that either Nanako, Yukiko, or Teddie had to die, I would make Teddie the Sacrificial Bear. Make him go out like Shinjiro.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#58147: May 17th 2020 at 5:21:54 PM
CybranGeneralSturm Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#58148: May 17th 2020 at 5:26:41 PM

Just threw her in because while her Shadow was responsible for corrupting Teddie in the first place, she learns healing spells along with the Agi line so the entire mess would boil down to 'depressing home life with Dojima as he has lost his wife and daughter' or the Investigation Team is without one of their healers.

Edited by CybranGeneralSturm on May 17th 2020 at 5:26:57 AM

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#58149: May 17th 2020 at 5:27:01 PM

Yeah, Persona 3's story is slower paced that P4's (in that it's not "OH NOT GOTTA SAVE [current victim] BEFORE THEY DIE IN THE TV WORLD!" a bunch of times in a row), but it builds much more organically. In P3, the beginning leads to the middle leads to the end. In P4, the beginning leads to the middle and then the ends is like "WAIT I'M HERE TOO" and feels super tacked on and disconnected.

I mean hell, a whole goddamn dungeon and the actual final boss is missable content. Not even "this is an obvious bad end, you definitely screwed up" missable, just like... if you didn't talk to one particular random asshole that you had no legitimate reason to suspect was important at all, you just didn't get the actual ending of the game.

I'd have a hard time calling that a better story than Persona 3 even if it didn't also have Yosuke as an insensitive, sexist, homophobic asshat who gets the "oh, boys will be boys" treatment and never actually improves in any way.

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MisterTambourineMan Unbeugsame Klinge from Under a tree Since: Jun, 2017 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
Unbeugsame Klinge
#58150: May 17th 2020 at 5:32:19 PM

[up] On the contrary, 4's ending works well because it requires the player to act on the story's theme.

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