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asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#57976: May 14th 2020 at 7:01:00 AM

Ann does have a role on the team, she's the sexy distraction. Even if she's not very good at it.

Yusuke designs and draws up the calling cards, but well...

Haru and Yusuke are just... there. Even Sae's wild Confidant accusations boil down to 'You knew someone close to Madarame/Okumura!'

ED: I mean, Haru's only job with the Thieves was getting past one door in Okumura's Palace. That's it.

Edited by asterism on May 14th 2020 at 2:05:45 PM

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Cross (Don’t ask)
#57977: May 14th 2020 at 7:07:00 AM

"to a lesser degree"

Also the only times I remember it coming in during the story is the unfortunate bit with Yusuke and Shido's Palace, and the latter ended up making it pointless (which in all fairness ends up being the case with the others as well).

Edited by Cross on May 14th 2020 at 10:14:12 AM

asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#57978: May 14th 2020 at 8:01:10 AM

During the investigation into Kaneshiro, Ann gets information on his scheme from some of his victims, though naturally Joker ends up doing most of the work

aaaaalso she does the sexy distraction thing in battles

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#57979: May 14th 2020 at 9:37:03 AM

I don't dislike any of the thieves unlike the previous games, barring Akechi for reasons fixed in Royal.

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#57980: May 14th 2020 at 9:45:03 AM

Poor Ann gets put in so many sexily distressing situations I never want to romance her. Give the poor thing a fucking break.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#57981: May 14th 2020 at 10:25:04 AM

Haru should have been 'The Money' of the group but well they couldn't go with the whole 'lets do everything P4 did but have it turn out like crap' angle like that.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#57982: May 14th 2020 at 10:43:05 AM

Yusuke does kind of act as the group's conscience; he's the one most opposed going after Okumura admonishes how gung ho the team was in going after him.

Plus, he's the one who helps break the ice with Futaba transitioning to being part of the team.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#57983: May 14th 2020 at 10:59:14 AM

There are a couple of times where Haru is the money of the Thieves like loaning out Destiny land or whatever it was called. But not really in a way that supports their operations.

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asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#57984: May 14th 2020 at 11:41:24 AM

I'm sure Haru is meant to be the money in the same way that Makoto is meant to be the strategist.

It's what they do in the story, but functionally Joker is the money and the brains and the cat burgler and the information getter because that's how the game works.

Really, the only Thieves who actually do their stated jobs are Morgana (and even then Joker is the one driving him, mostly); Futaba (because hacking isn't a gameplay mechanic), and Ryuji (because his job is fighting)

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Yumil Mad Archivist Since: Mar, 2016
Mad Archivist
#57985: May 14th 2020 at 11:46:45 AM

making up calling cards isn't gameplay either so Yusuke also does his job.

Makoto is also responsible for a good part for the plan to outsmart akechi so it at least works a bit in the manner than the story actually lets her plan for things Joker doesn't come up with sometimes, even though joker is indeed the strategist for most intents and purposes in that he's the one who comes up with all the logistics for palaces.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#57986: May 14th 2020 at 12:18:00 PM

She's also the one who came up with the plan for giving Kaneshiro the calling card, even if she just took Ryuji's original idea and scaled it up.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#57987: May 14th 2020 at 12:45:23 PM

I admit I've never heard of these roles for picaresque characters before. The Money and such. I get why the game can't be structure that way, but imagining how we'd handled it is fun.

  • Joker would be the Information Gatherer, as it would involved the most legwork and he's the leader to begin with so he needs to determine which targets they go after.
  • Ryuji the Muscle, self-explanatory
  • Morgana the Getaway Driver, again self-explanatory.
  • Ann the Cat burgler, as I'd have her be the one who learns the layouts of the palaces en route to the Treasure, and steals the treasure while the bosses are fought.
  • Yusuke would still make the Calling Cards
  • Makoto would still be the brains. Putting together Joker's and Ann's information to plan the actual theft out.
  • Futaba hacks on Joker or Makoto's command.
  • Haru would fund the weapons and armor. She's also be the reason we get higher quality items to buy.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#57988: May 14th 2020 at 12:54:39 PM

Does Ann’s role in that prevent her from actually participating in boss fights, or am I misinterpreting that?

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#57989: May 14th 2020 at 1:02:01 PM

She'll steal before the boss fight, like Morgana did in the Second Palace, or after if the boss is guarding it.

Edited by VeryMelon on May 14th 2020 at 1:05:59 AM

Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#57990: May 14th 2020 at 10:01:52 PM

I love Ryuji but he's a dumbo.

Also, Futaba's got a dark backstory. Like yikes.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#57991: May 14th 2020 at 10:48:35 PM

Yup. Not as dark as everyone's hellish existence at the beginning of the game, but yeah.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#57992: May 14th 2020 at 11:01:12 PM

A friend of mine, who is borderline obsessed with her I'll admit, had a pretty emotional reaction to playing her dungeon in Royal all over again.


Its interesting to think about the roles of the thieves. Because unlike in P4, they aren't just a bunch of friends who are hanging out, they have an actual operation going on.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#57993: May 14th 2020 at 11:05:18 PM

I'm reminded of the Phantom Lords discussion about what role each of the Thieves would have in a dictatorship.

Joker's obviously head honcho, Morgana's some kind of messenger or pet, Ryuji runs the secret police, Yusuke & Ann would be propaganda machines, Makoto an Iron Lady politician, Haru controls the business sector, & Goro would be an assassin.

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MisterTambourineMan Unbeugsame Klinge from Under a tree Since: Jun, 2017 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
Unbeugsame Klinge
#57994: May 15th 2020 at 6:10:39 AM

"Ryuji runs the secret police"

COME FELLOW SECRET POLICE, LET'S GO TO OUR SECRET POLICE BASE. DID I MENTION THAT WE'RE THE SECRET POLICE?

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#57995: May 15th 2020 at 7:49:50 AM

The "Ryuji keeps yelling about being a Phantom Thief lol" meme always irritated me. They all do it — especially since they hold their secret Phantom Thief planning meetings in public places — it's just that Ryuji is the only one who gets called out for it so the game can go "lol Ryuji is dumb isn't that cute". It's annoying.

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Cross (Don’t ask)
#57996: May 15th 2020 at 8:04:50 AM

Having the conversations in a public place isn't great, but sometimes I think people overstate how much a passerby would catch. Even more so when most wouldn't be paying them any attention in the first place.

Also, Ryuji tends to get more flack due to the recording, the Perfect Phone Call, and the bit at the sushi place.

[down]The Baroness?

Edited by Cross on May 15th 2020 at 11:39:39 AM

Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#57997: May 15th 2020 at 8:32:38 AM

What would Kasumi be in a Phantom Lord AU?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#57998: May 15th 2020 at 7:14:54 PM

So, I started thinking about something that bothered me (but not in a bad way) about P5:

How does Wakaba seem to know so much about the Metaverse? The woman has a impressively deep understanding of the Metaverse for someone who never saw it (and had no way to reach it).

I'm still kinda wondering about it.

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Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#57999: May 15th 2020 at 7:39:35 PM

Some have theorized that she's a former Kirijo group scientist.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#58000: May 15th 2020 at 7:49:19 PM

Which in turn raises the disturbing implication that Old Man Kirijo and Shido were colleagues. Isn't that terrifying?


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