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Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#57551: Feb 17th 2020 at 9:32:56 AM

Hashino is at atlus, he's at Studio zero, which doesn't even work on Persona in the first place. He's still working on that Larping game atlus announced a while ago.

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Hashil Since: Aug, 2010
#57552: Feb 17th 2020 at 9:34:48 AM

Studio Zero is just an internal division within Atlus.

Rather Persona itself will have another dungeon full of gay bashing again remains to be seen, but Hashino will continue to make games for the company.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#57553: Feb 17th 2020 at 9:58:55 AM

I expected the dismissive attitude about this, but I still think it's interesting to see happen.

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#57554: Feb 17th 2020 at 10:18:01 AM

Yeah, even if it is a PR move, it is better than not doing anything at all. Besides, I wouldn't say that nobody at Atlus Japan cares at all since I imagine that they would've had to given the green light for the change.

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Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#57555: Feb 17th 2020 at 10:31:34 AM

#BreakFreePersona is trending on Twitter.

Let's get Persona on diferent consoles and not just P5 on Switch.

Cosplaythief Since: Jun, 2013
#57556: Feb 17th 2020 at 11:37:59 AM

Wait so how are they going to end those scenes? Are they just going to fade to black?

Did they change Lala Escargot too? Hopefully not. It would be nice if they let Ren crossdress while working at the crossroads bar though. PQ 2 seemed to want to imply that Ren might be into that.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#57557: Feb 17th 2020 at 11:58:40 AM

This move is essentially a confirmation of something we already knew, that Atlus USA does care about these things and wants to try and mitigate the damage. As for Atlus Japan, well the last sign we had of these matters was Catherine Full Body which was criticized for the same insensitivity that previous games showed.

At this point there is a decent chance they might be vaguely aware westerners have a problem with the content in their games, but whether this means that Atlus JP will try to be more delicate with these issues in the future is something that remains to be seen. Them greenlighting this doesn't necessarily mean anything more than "I don't really get it, but fine, just let our US branch do whatever they can to make them happy" which wouldn't really result on any change on their part. And as I said while it's good that Atlus USA cares about these issues, all this does is mask the homophobia of the original product which is still intact and japanese LGBT+ people still have to deal with it which isn't really an ideal situation.

Rather Persona itself will have another dungeon full of gay bashing again remains to be seen, but Hashino will continue to make games for the company.

From my perspective, the best case scenario is that going forward we have an absence of particularly egregious homophobia but not necessarily a presence of positive LGBT+ representation.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#57558: Feb 17th 2020 at 12:47:22 PM

Hey the sex offenders are gone.

That’s dope. [tup]

It’s something at least.

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 17th 2020 at 12:47:49 PM

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Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#57559: Feb 17th 2020 at 4:47:06 PM

For those who haven't seen them, here are the interview snippets.

There's still content that doesn't go over well for the audience. How much say do you have in whether or not that content makes it in the game? Do you have autonomy in terms of recognizing what won't play well and what to do with it? How do you approach that?

There were certain things in Persona 3, 4 and 5, especially now in 2020, where there would be a lot of talk about the things in those games. As a localization manager, I really cannot do too much about what has already made it into the game.

But in Persona 5, there were a few NPCs that, while we were doing the localization, our team members felt a little bit of awkwardness about when working on it. And with Royal, we were determined to see if we could do something about it at least localization-wise. On our end, it took a lot of effort consulting not just the production department, but talking with our marketing, and how they would feel about it if we changed how things were in Persona 5 to this new way—what would the public reception be, what the company would think, whether it would be okay if we do make the change.

Ultimately for Royal, we did go with it and I think we're pretty happy with what it is. It's not a significant change, but I think there's enough of a change that people who weren't comfortable going through that part in Persona 5 would feel better this time around.

Are you able to say exactly what it is? What part of the game that you were referring to?

So basically, I'm just going to say it right now there are these two gay men who hit on Ryuji. I think the community had a very strong response to that, and you saw that, and that was definitely altered for Royal.

Can you expand on how that was changed?

Unfortunately, those characters were portrayed [as] more like predatory. In Royal—I don't want to say we made it mild—but we made it [as if they're] being very strong enthusiasts for something they like doing. But it's not like they're on the hunt for some young boys or anything.

Edited by Moth13 on Feb 17th 2020 at 7:49:57 AM

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#57560: Feb 18th 2020 at 2:30:35 AM

Atlus has disabled the PS4 and Switch sharing functions during the final part of 5: Strikers.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#57561: Feb 18th 2020 at 6:37:13 AM

Which means I won't be able to stream them using PS 4 either.

Edited by VeryMelon on Feb 18th 2020 at 6:37:45 AM

CybranGeneralSturm Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#57562: Feb 18th 2020 at 8:53:42 AM

They seem to trying to avoid a repeat of the major stink that was the whole July 7th situation from the original Persona 5.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#57563: Feb 18th 2020 at 12:28:24 PM

So rather predictably, Atlus USA changing the content in Royal has caused a stir in the community.

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#57564: Feb 18th 2020 at 12:35:54 PM

I think there are grounds to disagree with making these changes (some of which I have stated already), but a lot of it is the usual suspects making false assumptions of japan and its culture and just generally being ridiculous.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#57565: Feb 18th 2020 at 12:45:02 PM

This series should have never gotten mainstream appeal. Just keep the shit in Japan

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Yumil Mad Archivist Since: Mar, 2016
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#57566: Feb 18th 2020 at 12:46:02 PM

The gays just being very enthusiasts about something and dragging ryuji along but otherwise harmless is geniunely funny to me and as such is closer to the intended spirit of the scene - lighthearted comedy - which makes it intrinsically more faithful to the idea of the story than the original scene itself.

[up]Eh. Besides the fact that it doesn't really work that way I don't think a couple of problematic scenes are worth condamning the series to obscurity.

Edited by Yumil on Feb 18th 2020 at 9:49:54 PM

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#57567: Feb 18th 2020 at 12:53:13 PM

No, it's just more I'm tired of the shitstorm these games keep bringing up.

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TrueShadow1 Since: Dec, 2012
#57568: Feb 18th 2020 at 12:59:37 PM

Might as well say that anything you like should have never gotten popular. Side effect of being popular is also having a lot of troublesome fans.

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#57569: Feb 18th 2020 at 1:09:31 PM

These shitstorms pop up in everything nowadays. I've gotten numb to it. Also the crowd that complain about this are much smaller than they used to be.

I don't typically like censorship but it's so minor that I'm like who cares. I had the same reaction to a JRPG I played years ago called Mugen Soul Z. It's a positively shameless fanservice game and they censored out some gratuitous bathing minigame for Western releases. My opinion now is the same as it was then - "oh well."

It helps that censoring homophobic jokes is much more justified than censoring sexuality, in my view. And I don't even have a problem with tasteless, offensive jokes if the person making them has proven their good intentions. Persona has done quite the opposite.

Edited by Nikkolas on Feb 18th 2020 at 1:11:23 AM

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#57570: Feb 19th 2020 at 10:12:45 AM

So I heard the bosses are pretty meaty, not taking a character who has the skills to beat said boss will drag out the fight way longer than it already will be. Even the non dungeon bosses in Scramble like Cerberus or Bicorn will easily last some time.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Feb 19th 2020 at 10:15:57 AM

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vicarious vicarious from NC, USA Since: Feb, 2013
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#57571: Feb 19th 2020 at 5:02:50 PM

What changes are happening besides removing the gay gags?

Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#57572: Feb 19th 2020 at 5:14:19 PM

Redoing some awkward lines/line reads. No, the name pronunciations will not be changing.

RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
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#57573: Feb 19th 2020 at 5:17:38 PM

Suhkawmato

vicarious vicarious from NC, USA Since: Feb, 2013
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#57574: Feb 19th 2020 at 5:22:29 PM

Oh

The pronunciations do annoy me at times but oh well

CybranGeneralSturm Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#57575: Feb 19th 2020 at 5:22:52 PM

Japanese audio it will be then if I do play Royal, because fuck the localized pronunciations in the ass with a chainsaw.


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