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Of course people criticize that too given the rebellion consists of removing one bad person and then saying "eh, everything will work out now."
Those crazy revolutionaries, having faith in the system.
I should note this is not my criticism of P5, just one I read a lot. Personally I think it misses the point that P5 was never about politics to begin with.
Edited by Nikkolas on Feb 8th 2020 at 6:07:40 AM
Interesting... Crap, I just thought of something really stupid: a sequel to Persona Q2 called Persona Q2.2: Return of Cinema Labyrinth and this time the one behind everything is Enki, who like Enlil tries to "save humans" by drawing them into the Cinemas in his own Theater District and have them watch overly-positive films created from their memories with all negativity cut out, portraying them unsympathetically and essentially making the cinemas a paradise that his victims won't consider leaving.
Hikari would be mentioned in the story, but would be a DLC navigator with no physical presence whatsoever. The Persona Users would all be trapped in one such Cinema with four films, each of which are ruled by three demons acting in disguise as the "villains" of each movie, with two of them being subordinates to the third. The films would be a Slasher horror, an Adventure, a Romantic Comedy, and a Courtroom Drama. The villains of the Slasher film would be Matador, Mot, and Nergal; the villains of the Adventure film would be Pabilsag, Wendigo, and Jormugandr; the villains of the Romantic Comedy would be Ishtar, Hathor, and Parvati; and the villains of the Courtroom Drama would be Anubis, Utu (the Mesopotamain god of Justice also known as Shamash), and Themis.
In case anyone cares, I opened up a Spoiler Thread for Persona 5 Scramble: The Phantom Strikers for if and when it leaks.
Good call, Wolf Thunder.
Edited by CybranGeneralSturm on Feb 9th 2020 at 11:54:49 AM
I feel like I've asked this before but it's bugged me since I played P5.
Why are Shadows in P4 horrific caricatures of our heroes and thus decidedly not their true selves but in P5 all the villain Shadows are actually their true selves and accurately represent their heart's desire?
It's totally the opposite.
I'm reminded of a certain scene in P4 where I was very annoyed at our heroes for thinking a Shadow appearing on a TV screen proved something when they should all know that Shadows prove fucking nothing. But if we were going with P5 logic then that Shdow appearing could have been taken as reliable evidence of guilt.
Now this is just me going off of stuff I only vaguely remember but in P4 the shadows were based on other people's outlooks on the person/people in question, whereas in P5 the shadows are the persons own bloated opinion of themself.
Shadows are part of your mind that you suppress and don't acknowledge. It could be that the P5 villains don't want to acknowledge that they're all heartless monsters.
The nature of Palaces and the TV World is also a bit different. Everyone can potentially have P4-style dungeons if they somehow falls into the TV World. But only those with distorted desires can have Palaces.
That's a fair point about the Cognitive World vs. TV World. Thanks.
Yeah, the TV world was created to force people to face the hidden side of themselves, while cognitive palaces are defenses built by people to avoid facing hard truths about themselves.
The TV World is all about avoiding truths about themselves as well. It's why the fog exists. To live in blossful ignorance. Shadows are by definition parts of oneself refuses to acknowledge. Both good and ill. P4 ones just have a paint of what other people perceive about them coating the top.
Thus P5 Shadows are angry like their users and seek what they've repressed, a desire for revenge on those who wronged them. While the ones in P4 are cartoons because they're cartoons Ie Yosuke thinks his persona is a toy so it looks like one which uhhhhhhh isn't how personas work but no point trying to figure it out.
Dinosaur Yosuke looks cooler too
Edited by OmegaRadiance on Feb 11th 2020 at 2:52:16 AM
I miss our heroes having to fake shoot themselves to use their Personas.
They should have had to rip their faces off to use their Personas all the time in P5.
Bit more of a horror element in P3 and P5 than in P4 now I think on it. Somebody once told me before I got to P4 that it is "the happiest murder mystery ever" and that is a great summation of the game.
Edited by Nikkolas on Feb 11th 2020 at 9:46:06 AM
....that sounds counter productive...
...and death inducing....
It didn't kill them the first time, they'll be okay. The agonizing shrieks of pain are good signs, you're growing more complete as a person.
That is true.
Alright. I'm down for facial maiming. It builds character.
@dragonfire5000: ports of the Etrian Odyssey games and Persona Q could make it so you access the map by pressing the Y button, and do what SMT: Strange Journey did by having the map get filled in automatically as you travel through a labyrinth.
I suppose they could do that, though it could make map-making and checking where you are in the labyrinth more tedious. Especially since one of the big draws of Etrian Odyssey is filling maps with your own notes and stuff.
Ya know I never call her "Ginko." I get it's a language thing but Ginko just sounds like a racial slur in English.
And even if it isn't a slur, she clearly doesn't want to be called that. She's Lisa and I love her and we're gonna get married.
Except ya know, the world was kinda destroyed. And she doesn't exist.
Innocent Sin is so much better than Eternal Punishment. I just thought Innocent Sin referred to what the others did to Maya. It fits perfectly. You don't need EP at all.
History repeats itself
How was the hot-spring scene in P3 if you were playing as the girl?
Pretty much the same, you just search for the boys yourself this time rather than try to escape.
Huh so perspective flip.
Should put in an option to just let them be.
Maybe they can add a 'No, I'm not an idiot like you guys' option, so you can skip it entirely.
For the boys or girls.
That'd actually be an amazing idea.
What I want to see is a game which has two versions of hot springs scenes.
I seem to remember in P 3 P you could intentionally let the guys peep if you played as the girl?
I'm not a fan of hot spring episodes at all but it can't be worse than P4 in my opinion. Plus I bet it's just going to be Ryuji gets discovered and we call it a day.
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