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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#56976: Oct 11th 2019 at 10:42:28 AM

Not a sexy Moth Goddess, Straight Jacket, or an uncomfortably repressed officer of the law.tongue

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
Yumil Mad Archivist Since: Mar, 2016
Mad Archivist
#56977: Oct 11th 2019 at 10:44:47 AM

is it me or is Omega especially thirsty today

"when you stare too long into the abyss, Xehanort takes advantage of the distraction to break into your house and steal all your shit."
OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#56978: Oct 11th 2019 at 10:45:46 AM

Gotta give Marie some credit. Her nonhuman design is good. And also a GTS that is also an important bonus.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#56979: Oct 11th 2019 at 10:55:58 AM

You really seem to be going out of your way to slam her...at least her human look.

Oh well. I'd be a Hypocrite if I said anything, but maybe take it a bit easy. You burn yourself out if you keep shitting on a character constantly like that.

There's a reason I barely have it in me to really hate Naruto anymore.

One Strip! One Strip!
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#56980: Oct 11th 2019 at 11:05:00 AM

Omega knows how to keep it fresh, plus he doesn't do it as often as you.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#56981: Oct 11th 2019 at 11:11:21 AM

Yes. He's smart about it.

I was like an uncontrollable forest fire; everything consumed in the blaze. Nothing left to burn.

Though now I can look at the franchise more objectively too, so I'm kinda glad I burned myself out like that.

Anyway....time for some controversy: Is Akechi truly a Phantom Thief or not?

They seem to go back and forth on including him in pictures of the team, so I'm not really sure where he stands from a meta view. What do all of you think?

One Strip! One Strip!
Yumil Mad Archivist Since: Mar, 2016
Mad Archivist
#56982: Oct 11th 2019 at 11:13:12 AM

Don't think he was one in the original, practically certain he'll be one in 5r, and I'll very much welcome it.

"when you stare too long into the abyss, Xehanort takes advantage of the distraction to break into your house and steal all your shit."
RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
Professional Complainer
#56983: Oct 11th 2019 at 11:15:08 AM

He's definitely joining full time in Royal, yeah.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#56984: Oct 11th 2019 at 11:16:30 AM

He doesn't steal hearts. He's pretty much exclusively a heart stabber.

The legend has returned.
asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#56985: Oct 11th 2019 at 11:57:39 AM

Huh. So when you send the calling card to Okumura, Futaba says something about someday making a Palace filled with her dreams and wishes. Maybe that's where the whole 'My Palace' concept came from.

Bewitching Eyes
darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#56986: Oct 11th 2019 at 12:28:41 PM

Well, the term has to come from somewhere. Morgana's not that smart to come up with half the exposition on his own.

deludedmusings Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#56987: Oct 11th 2019 at 4:09:37 PM

I am curious how deep into pandering to the 'Akechi did nothing wrong' crowd they will go with Royal.

I think it will end with him being more divisive than he already is.

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#56988: Oct 11th 2019 at 4:49:55 PM

Is Akechi actually divisive? Other than the usual "he's hot, so I ship him with Joker" types, I don't really think I've seen people with an unironically positive opinion of him or how his character was handled.

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
Konkfan7 Konknitive Dissonance from Roselle Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Konknitive Dissonance
#56989: Oct 11th 2019 at 4:51:39 PM

Trust me, he has a fuckton of fans and people that legit like him (myself included, please don't bother typing up an essay-long post about why I have to hate him), but even then a huge chunk of his fans agree he could have been handled way better. I'm personally hoping that a lot gets fixed with him in Royal, and from what I've seen so far, I'm optimistic. I appreciate him being more of a mainstay for the group and getting a more natural Confidant system.

Cases like my girlfriend and I (she dislike Akechi, I like him) can just agree to disagree and have civil discussion but I've seen a lot of people get really nasty over something that should be a matter of opinion.

Edited by Konkfan7 on Oct 11th 2019 at 7:54:47 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#56990: Oct 11th 2019 at 4:54:43 PM

On archive Joker/Goro is the most popular ship at 1851 fics.

After that Joker/Ryuji at 1112 fics, Joker/Yusuke at 827 fics, & highest listed hetero pairing Joker/Makoto at 535 fics.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#56991: Oct 11th 2019 at 4:54:49 PM

[up][up]Ah, fair enough. "He was interesting but could have been done better" vs "he was awful and I hate everything about him" sort of divisive, not "he was fantastic, they handled him perfectly" vs "he was awful and I hate everything about him" divisive. Yeah, that I definitely see.

[up]Never underestimate the creative energy of the fujoshi.

Edited by NativeJovian on Oct 11th 2019 at 7:56:21 AM

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
Konkfan7 Konknitive Dissonance from Roselle Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Konknitive Dissonance
#56992: Oct 11th 2019 at 4:55:45 PM

I have seen bits of the latter too.

I know apparently there were few incidents of people who hate Akechi legit attacking people who cosplayed him at cons which is just... Bruh.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#56993: Oct 11th 2019 at 5:04:51 PM

I don't like Akechi but him being more of a mainstay of the group means we might get more of a reason to actually care about him, so it's not all bad. If they tone down his crimes/body count like some people have suggested, it would also make him a lot more sympathetic. I'm not super optimistic given atlus' track record but admittedly I'm pretty jaded so maybe I'm not the best person to ask.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Oct 11th 2019 at 8:07:03 AM

Yumil Mad Archivist Since: Mar, 2016
Mad Archivist
#56994: Oct 11th 2019 at 5:22:44 PM

I wasn't kidding in my earlier posts so count me in for geniunely liking akechi, and not for the shipping.

Also counts me in the hoping atlus doesn't tone down his crimes gang.

Edited by Yumil on Oct 11th 2019 at 2:23:34 PM

"when you stare too long into the abyss, Xehanort takes advantage of the distraction to break into your house and steal all your shit."
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#56995: Oct 11th 2019 at 5:33:00 PM

I mean liking Akechi as a villain and character and thinking that Akechi is a perfect cinnamon roll who people need to stop bullying are very different things.

This song needs more love.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#56996: Oct 11th 2019 at 5:44:22 PM

I admit, when I was watching clips of Akechi's time with the group in Sae's dungeon, I kinda liked his dynamic with them

The thing about that kinda infiltration is that you have to put a bit of yourself in it in order for it to work (the best deceptions having a kernel of truth after all).

I even liked how he blackmailed himself in, but (seemingly when you ignore the real reasons) recognized he needed their help to get through and stuff.

Then he went full asshole, in addition to his numerous crimes (we're 100% sure he murdered Futaba's mom too right? It's not just Haru who lost a parent to him?) soured everything. I'm not sure how I feel about removing some of his crimes: he's still the only person who can enter the Metaverse, and we never learn the full extent of how Shidou's other scientists manipulate it, so for stuff like that, it has to be him.

I think he still needs to be legitimately guilty enough that he needs to atone, but they also need a way to make his really joining the group believable (though them just putting up with him since they have the same enemy, they can't kill him, and can't give him a change of heart, so they make it clear he has to go to jail afterwards works in the end).

There's a lot to fix, and from what I can tell the biggest complaints about him are in the western fandom, so Atlus might not see a need to change much. Which makes sense, since his backstory is more sympathetic in his home country, so there's no need to make him less guilty.

...I think.

You gotta admit: bastard knows how to get down.cool

One Strip! One Strip!
Yumil Mad Archivist Since: Mar, 2016
Mad Archivist
#56997: Oct 11th 2019 at 5:47:59 PM

[up][up]Well yes but considering if it was up to me I'd let the guy walk away and have another shot at life no questions asked I'm pretty sure I do both.

It's just that reducing his body counts does nothing to make him more redeemable because he kills at least three people in cold blood through the story, and that reducing his bodycount just opens up plot holes on top of it.

Edited by Yumil on Oct 11th 2019 at 2:52:44 PM

"when you stare too long into the abyss, Xehanort takes advantage of the distraction to break into your house and steal all your shit."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#56998: Oct 11th 2019 at 5:52:58 PM

An easy way to make him more sympathetic is to not turn him into a generic psychopath.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Yumil Mad Archivist Since: Mar, 2016
Mad Archivist
#56999: Oct 11th 2019 at 5:55:14 PM

That's literally what his persona does and part of how he did the murders in the first place though.

"when you stare too long into the abyss, Xehanort takes advantage of the distraction to break into your house and steal all your shit."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#57000: Oct 11th 2019 at 5:56:22 PM

Then change what makes him act like a blithering snarling mongrel in the last battle.

Adachi fought with more dignity than him.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 11th 2019 at 5:56:53 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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