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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#56951: Oct 11th 2019 at 4:03:47 AM

he topic of P5 being hated or loved was literally brought up last page. I simply responded to what other posters were already talking about.

W hen I burst into a P3 talk to say "ya know guys Joker was the worst MC ever" - and I've never done anything even vaguely of the sort - that could be problem.

Let me put this a different way. I have never seen you admit that Persona 5 could be liked for anything outside of aesthetics, while plenty of people here can admit the positives of other persona games that they either don't like or are lukewarm on. And your P4 opinions are usually so gushy that they grate to read. I don't advocate sniping at you, but I'm not surprised when it happens either.

Edited by VeryMelon on Oct 11th 2019 at 4:09:04 AM

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#56952: Oct 11th 2019 at 4:16:37 AM

[up][up] My apologies it was this post where I started reading the current discussion https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=j51x8blwkxfqfunro3hx3vd2&page=2276#comment-56876

And literally all I did was say what I felt about these new insert characters. I didn't say "Kasumi can't save the godforsaken trash heap that is P5." I just said I didn't care and moved on.

[up] I mean, I gush about Persona 4 because it's one of the best games I've ever played in my life. I can't help that and I don't think I'm unfair or exclusionary. I love P2 and P3 as well and I think I mention their virtues enough, although P2 doesn't come up as often for obvious reasons. I've said multiple times for example P3 has far and a way the best ending in the series and P2 and P3 have way better final bosses than P4.

A If people wanna snipe at me I 'll defend myself because I simply don't think I deserve it in this instance.

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#56953: Oct 11th 2019 at 5:47:43 AM

I do kinda find it funny to hear Persona 5 being spoken as modern classic that put Atlus to map because similar things were said about Persona 4 and now everyone acts like Persona 4 wasn't case of that [lol]

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#56954: Oct 11th 2019 at 6:53:10 AM

[up] Pretty much. I used to complain about it, actually. Before 2017 I read so many threads about how Persona 3 and 4 had the best writing ever in any JRPG. And I was like "I never played them. They're probably not that great."

I was very wrong as it turns out but yeah, P4 has been a phenomenon for a long, long time.

I'm still not sure how Persona 1 had the most sales of any of the games since nobody gave ashit about the franchise until 3.

Edited by Nikkolas on Oct 11th 2019 at 6:54:21 AM

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#56955: Oct 11th 2019 at 6:56:13 AM

Because P5 did even better of course. Which is impressive to say the least. Not to mention PQ doing better than all the other P4 spinoffs did.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#56956: Oct 11th 2019 at 6:57:14 AM

Due to the fact Persona stayed a bit behind on the consoles, I recall P4 was released at the end of the PS 2's life-span & there was no major P game released for most of the majority of the PS 3 life-span the P franchise was more of a cult hit.

The arrival of the Arena in the Fighting Game Community, a little bit of PQ, and then P5's release is what helped launch the franchise into the greater mainstream.

P5's good advertising & upping the gameplay really helped it sell well.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 11th 2019 at 6:58:50 AM

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darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#56957: Oct 11th 2019 at 7:46:29 AM

From a gameplay perspective, 5 pleases a lot of fans across the board, dropping the card-based shuffle mechanics in favor of Shadow negotiation, makes fusion a bigger part of getting Personas, introduces a lot of new Confidant abilities that effect battle, and generally just makes strategy a lot more fluid. Also it helps most of the dungeon crawling is actually hand-crafted this time and not an afterthought.

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#56958: Oct 11th 2019 at 7:52:58 AM

Every single game after p3 has been making gains in the west. P3 was something of a sleeper hit and a very novel game for the time, then p4 came out and capitalized on its success. P5 built off what the two games prior did, and managed to get even more people's attention.

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#56959: Oct 11th 2019 at 8:21:08 AM

And Considered it was Confirmed Persona 6 was in early development last year, I expect it to be even more popular thanks to probably being on Shiny new Playstation hardware. Especially since they don't have to worry about using an outdated PS 3 engine for a PS 4 port like with 5.

Daiki Itoh being in charge of P6 would be great, since with the past few remakes he directed, he's been riding on Katsura Hoshino's coat tails to expand the existing story instead of creating one from the ground up, though 5R seems to be an experiment in trying to expand it enough that it feels like a different story entirely by the end.

Edited by Demongodofchaos2 on Oct 11th 2019 at 11:24:51 AM

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RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
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#56960: Oct 11th 2019 at 9:31:02 AM

Little late to this but if we can shit on P4 and Marie from a high rise then I don't see the problem with Nikkolas "overpraising" it. If anything his fanboying is more valid than coming in here just to dunk on the series like I do.

Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#56961: Oct 11th 2019 at 9:46:19 AM

[up] Thank you. I appreciate it.

Honestly, I try to be constructive. I've liked 4 out of 5 Persona games and that ain't bad. I can fanboy about Innocent Sin if people prefer. I have listed it a along with P 4 G as my Top Tier SMT games and it deserves it because it's beautifully written, had great music and just overall leaves you with that quintessential Persona feeling that makes us all fans of the series. "Persona made me feel like I had friends."

Edited by Nikkolas on Oct 11th 2019 at 9:46:38 AM

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#56962: Oct 11th 2019 at 10:05:02 AM

It's definitely a weird feeling for Persona as a series to really take off in popularity for me because it was at the same time I had become disillusioned with it.

Makes me feel like a hipster.

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RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
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#56963: Oct 11th 2019 at 10:08:20 AM

Up until P5 liking Persona was hipster.

Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#56964: Oct 11th 2019 at 10:10:33 AM

I like all the SMT and Persona games to some degree.

P5 is just my current Favorite, and the Royal seems like it will be even better. Thats fine by me.

Edited by Demongodofchaos2 on Oct 11th 2019 at 1:12:38 PM

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#56965: Oct 11th 2019 at 10:22:51 AM

It's not so much Nikk praising P4 that's I take issue with, so much as him trying to downplay P5 to prop it up.

Fine, love Persona 4 all you want l, but putting down other games isn't necessary.

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RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
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#56966: Oct 11th 2019 at 10:23:36 AM

We all just yesterday had a raucous laugh putting down P4 and Marie.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#56968: Oct 11th 2019 at 10:25:23 AM

I loved P5 at first but replaying it, the story and the characters leave so much to be desired that it has become my least fav of the P trilogy.

I hope that Royal will turn it around but with them seemingly doubling down on Akechi... not likely.

asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#56969: Oct 11th 2019 at 10:25:29 AM

In spite of all its flaws, I still find myself liking 5

I just ignore all the stuff I don't like

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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#56970: Oct 11th 2019 at 10:25:47 AM

Hey nothing I said was incorrect. So clearly it's Maries fault if it sounds bad.

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Yumil Mad Archivist Since: Mar, 2016
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#56972: Oct 11th 2019 at 10:27:57 AM

yeah honestly that's starting to look like you're getting offended on the behalf of people that are perfectly fine with nikk, there.

i'm probably a good contender for the biggest p5 fan of this thread and I have zero issues with anything nikk has said here for... quite a fucking long time now, actually.

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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#56973: Oct 11th 2019 at 10:30:04 AM

Honestly as a game P 4 G was a nice update and Marie getting a superior design when she melts her trash body down to become a moth-like goddess was beautiful. It's 10/10 bangable alongside straight jacket Izanami.

I do wish I could do more with the heavily in the closet policeman Yu keeps flirting with.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Oct 11th 2019 at 10:31:05 AM

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Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, bitch! from In a Cultivation World (Ancient one) Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#56974: Oct 11th 2019 at 10:37:02 AM

What about the Spanish girl?

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EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#56975: Oct 11th 2019 at 10:41:42 AM

i like marie

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