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RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
Professional Complainer
#53851: Jan 18th 2019 at 4:40:41 PM

That's really not any better!

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#53852: Jan 18th 2019 at 4:41:35 PM

If it helps, it stirred up a lot of controversy at least.

Pissed people off.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
Professional Complainer
#53854: Jan 18th 2019 at 4:51:36 PM

The idol industry genuinely terrifies me.

Like it's not just the weird exploitation of kids and teenagers, it's the creepy as fuck ownership their fans display over them. Then again it's not like Western fans of actresses are any better.

Which is why Rise decides to go back to it because it's so awesome, he said in an attempt to tie this back to Persona

HamburgerTime The Merry Monarch of Darkness from Dark World, where we do sincerely have cookies Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: I know
The Merry Monarch of Darkness
#53855: Jan 18th 2019 at 4:53:34 PM

I'm not sure Western fandoms are much better, though. We live in a society where, among other things, an indie browser game, a silly movie about ghosts, and an installment of a popular sci-fi franchise have somehow become major rallying cries for literal Nazis, after all.

The pig of Hufflepuff pulsed like a large bullfrog. Dumbledore smiled at it, and placed his hand on its head: "You are Hagrid now."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#53856: Jan 18th 2019 at 4:55:36 PM

Well all have our problems.

Simple as that.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HamburgerTime The Merry Monarch of Darkness from Dark World, where we do sincerely have cookies Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: I know
The Merry Monarch of Darkness
#53857: Jan 18th 2019 at 4:56:56 PM

[up] Which is why I'm not really fond of critiquing other countries' pop-culture to be honest. Seems hypocritical.

The pig of Hufflepuff pulsed like a large bullfrog. Dumbledore smiled at it, and placed his hand on its head: "You are Hagrid now."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#53858: Jan 18th 2019 at 5:01:03 PM

Its not hypocritical if you are willing to acknowledge & own your own shit.

Try not to make excuses.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 18th 2019 at 5:01:14 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#53859: Jan 18th 2019 at 5:19:24 PM

Shitty people are shitty regardless of where they are born.

And just to be clear, male Idols don't have it better than the girls either.

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Kakuzan Let memes die. Kill them, if you have to. from Knock knock, open up the door, it's real. Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#53861: Jan 18th 2019 at 5:29:59 PM

This is why the Bad End of P5 is the true canon ending.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#53862: Jan 18th 2019 at 6:13:21 PM

SMTIV White Ending is literally the best ending in all of video games.

TrueShadow1 Since: Dec, 2012
#53863: Jan 18th 2019 at 6:28:44 PM

No, that's SJR Law+ ending

(haven't actually played SJR)

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#53864: Jan 18th 2019 at 6:33:35 PM

That's all the + endings actually.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#53865: Jan 18th 2019 at 6:35:12 PM

Damn taking over the world with Persona powers sounds like a hoot.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
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#53866: Jan 18th 2019 at 8:00:57 PM

The big symbol of how P5 doesn't go far enough with its social critique for me is Shido. He should, by all accounts, be a far-right japanese ultranationalist. It's what makes sense for the critique of the game and would give the proceedings a lot more weight because it's dealing with a real problem and taking a stand against it.

However it doesn't do that. Shido's just a generic empty populist. His actual political views aren't elaborated upon besides being generally elitist.

There's honestly quite a lot the game could address in terms of japanese society that it doesn't, like LGBT+ issues, how it treats the zanichi koreans, and so on. But for all its bluster it doesn't seem to want to rock the boat THAT badly.

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#53867: Jan 18th 2019 at 8:01:31 PM

One Fanfic I read pretty much has Joker and his friends become full blown demons that take over the world thanks to video game mechanics.

And because we don't know what his parents are like, his mom is depicted as a crazy axe murderer that kills Jokers dad because he didn't believe him when he got arrested, and is eventually shown to have a Giant Yaldaboath sized persona based on Wu Zetian, for extra Caligula kicks.

Edited by Demongodofchaos2 on Jan 18th 2019 at 11:08:07 AM

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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#53868: Jan 18th 2019 at 8:02:32 PM

Funny enough the anime I can give for not including him separating from the ultranationalist party, though its clear he still only cares about himself, with his allies thus being normal members of the political party.

[up] Sounds like I need to read it. Got a link?

I know Demon Joker is a thing. Ive seen fanart of it with Mishima.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Jan 18th 2019 at 8:03:55 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#53869: Jan 18th 2019 at 8:03:49 PM

[up][up] That sounds hilarious.

I too would like a link as well.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 18th 2019 at 8:04:05 AM

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Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, Bitch! from Eldritch Nightmareland Since: Jul, 2010 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#53870: Jan 18th 2019 at 8:03:50 PM

[up][up][up][up] The Yakuza series generally gets into the whole discrimination of other asian races like Chinese, Koreans, and the Japanese that just happen to share Korean or Chinese blood in them.

[up][up] Sure:

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12967041/1/And-the-world-breaks

Kinda on the nose and somewhat schlocky, and doesn't have the best grammar from the start, but its a pretty over the top read if you are in the right mindset.

Edited by Demongodofchaos2 on Jan 18th 2019 at 11:06:05 AM

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HamburgerTime The Merry Monarch of Darkness from Dark World, where we do sincerely have cookies Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: I know
The Merry Monarch of Darkness
#53871: Jan 18th 2019 at 8:05:27 PM

Zu Weitian? Is she related to Ring Kichard the Thrid?

The pig of Hufflepuff pulsed like a large bullfrog. Dumbledore smiled at it, and placed his hand on its head: "You are Hagrid now."
Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, Bitch! from Eldritch Nightmareland Since: Jul, 2010 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#53872: Jan 18th 2019 at 8:07:15 PM

I meant Wu Zetian, but yeah.

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#53874: Jan 18th 2019 at 9:02:32 PM

The big symbol of how P5 doesn't go far enough with its social critique for me is Shido. He should, by all accounts, be a far-right japanese ultranationalist. It's what makes sense for the critique of the game and would give the proceedings a lot more weight because it's dealing with a real problem and taking a stand against it.

However it doesn't do that. Shido's just a generic empty populist. His actual political views aren't elaborated upon besides being generally elitist.

I seem to recall reading something that said that while the game never comes out and explicitly says what his politics are, a lot of his iconography and the general way he presents himself are meant to evoke that.

Like, a Japanese player could look at him and say "Oh, he's like Abe", or something.

Of course, I don't remember all the details and this analysis could be wrong, so take that with a grain of salt.

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HamburgerTime The Merry Monarch of Darkness from Dark World, where we do sincerely have cookies Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: I know
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#53875: Jan 18th 2019 at 9:04:15 PM

He has the Imperial Japanese naval banner, the Asian equivalent of the Swastika, on both his cape and the floor of his boss room, so he's at least heavily implied to be one if nothing else.

The pig of Hufflepuff pulsed like a large bullfrog. Dumbledore smiled at it, and placed his hand on its head: "You are Hagrid now."

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