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Quag15 Since: Mar, 2012
#276: May 2nd 2015 at 6:36:25 AM

[up]Again, depends on the sub-group or the section of the ideology.

Some require the state to ensure that the principles get to be put in practice, some don't.

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#277: May 2nd 2015 at 6:56:38 AM

Pure Marxism envisions a transition to a worker-run economy without any real plan to get there. Marxism-Leninism and Maoism both require a totalitarian state to manage the transition, but in no country that has tried either of those systems has the end goal been realized.

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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#278: May 2nd 2015 at 7:13:42 AM

So what technology could be invented that would realize it?

edited 2nd May '15 7:14:16 AM by DeMarquis

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#281: May 2nd 2015 at 10:02:44 AM

[up][up][up]Public mass surveillance maybe? "Communism" works in small tribal societies were everyone gets controlled by everyone else and can see their contributions and needs. So if everyone could watch everyone else it might work.

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#282: May 2nd 2015 at 10:58:09 AM

Something that monitors your production and consumption in meticulous detail?

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#283: May 2nd 2015 at 1:20:21 PM

Does anyone know of any particular societies where Communism has worked? I'd like to look into that a bit more. As far as I was aware there has been no enduring Communist success stories of any size, though I don't mind being proved wrong.

edited 2nd May '15 1:41:13 PM by betaalpha

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#284: May 2nd 2015 at 2:40:27 PM

Only small scale ones, and even they tend to recognize private property.

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#285: May 2nd 2015 at 6:05:40 PM

Hunter gather societies kinda qualify because the means of production aren't owned by anyone in particular. Everyone has about the same means.

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#286: May 4th 2015 at 8:59:04 AM

I just need to add that transhumanism is not just cyborg implements. Could also turn into devas or energy beaings or whatever the fuck. I have tackeld this usbject before on other thread, but no one was very keen on the idea of mechanical implements as nothing more than manmade human tools as opposed to the great next evolutionary step of mankind.

That said communism is still silly. But it helps capitalism by selling che guevara shirts.

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#287: May 4th 2015 at 5:58:59 PM

So what technology could be invented that would realize it?

Well, many communist and socialist ideologies fall broadly under the banner of libertarian socialism, which in most forms eschews the transitional state government between capitalism and true communism seen in places like the Soviet Union, and instead elect to abolish the state immediately. The methods they employ typically involve a heavy emphasis on direct action in order to win popular support and encourage resistance against capitalism and the state.

This video is fairly long but I think it does a good job of explaining the difference in approach:

edited 4th May '15 9:01:21 PM by Zennistrad

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