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Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#26: Nov 26th 2010 at 5:10:43 PM

Sackett, the Hungary link is the same Mirai Nikki page.

Edmania o hai from under a pile of erasers Since: Apr, 2010
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#27: Nov 26th 2010 at 5:14:44 PM

To be honest without context it looks like Yuno is trying to slash Amano. Unless you mean using the entire page as the pic...

Which she would probably do anyway.

edited 26th Nov '10 5:15:08 PM by Edmania

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neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#28: Nov 26th 2010 at 5:32:43 PM

Seeing as how the top panel has the same width as the whole page, (assuming the white bar to the left is removed in each case) then either would have to be shrunk by the same ratio in order for it to be small enough to be a page image. The only difference between using the top panel and using the whole page is in height, and even then, using just the top panel would be about two thirds as tall as using the whole page anyway.

That said, this still is not that clear an example. If we are to go with a comics, one, there is always the one mentioned in the webcomics part of the article itself.

edited 26th Nov '10 5:50:29 PM by neoYTPism

rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#29: Nov 26th 2010 at 5:35:23 PM

Neytiri is awesome. She is even standing over the male character and brandishing a weapon. What is the objection, that she doesn't look female enough? Uh.

edited 26th Nov '10 5:35:51 PM by rodneyAnonymous

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#30: Nov 26th 2010 at 5:39:36 PM

... well, that is my objection. Others have argued that in that particular pic she looks like she got caught killing him, or was about to.


As for the Shive example, I managed to find a panel arrangement that does not require shrinking of any form to fit in the TV Tropes image width limit, yet still seems to make (fairly) clear that it is a girl protecting a guy.
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edited 26th Nov '10 5:51:25 PM by neoYTPism

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#31: Nov 26th 2010 at 5:40:50 PM

The objection, I believe, was that she looks less 'lay a finger on him and I take the arm', and more '... um, guys? Try to pretend that I didn't just kill this guy, all right?'.

What's precedent ever done for us?
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#32: Nov 26th 2010 at 5:49:07 PM

I only inferred the "she just killed him" about the second Neytiri pic that was posted (the one that rodney just linked); the first one's great IMO.

edited 26th Nov '10 5:50:56 PM by Willbyr

neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#33: Nov 26th 2010 at 5:49:56 PM

Again, that was the objection some had. Mine was that it was not all that clear that she was female in those pics, especially the first. The idea would have been to seek further screens from the movie, since I do recall her looking more obviously female some of the time.

In any case, I presented alternatives from other works instead, including one currently linked to as an example on the article, and one for which there happens to be a panel arrangement conveniently leaving both panels intact without requiring shrinking while still being within the TV Tropes image width limit. I recommend that one now.

rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#34: Nov 26th 2010 at 5:52:05 PM

"...it was not all that clear that she was female in those pics..."

  1. Disagree, she looks unambiguously female to me.
  2. The words VIOLENTLY PROTECTIVE GIRLFRIEND will be over her head, I don't think "not feminine enough" is an actual problem.

edited 26th Nov '10 5:54:16 PM by rodneyAnonymous

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#35: Nov 26th 2010 at 5:55:16 PM

1. To you she might, to me she does not. Who knows how many others might find it unapparent?

2. And yet, to others, things like murderer or attempted murderer spring to mind. Obviously the image is not all that abundantly clear if you get that much disagreement on it.

EDIT: Oh right, and as for the first pic, you can barely see much of the guy she is defending let alone can tell that it is supposed to be a guy at all.

edited 26th Nov '10 5:55:58 PM by neoYTPism

rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#36: Nov 26th 2010 at 5:57:23 PM

"To you she might, to me she does not." and "...you can barely see much of the guy she is defending..."

Part of my point was that it doesn't matter how much she "looks like" a girl. They could be wearing identical gender-neutral face-concealing suits. The trope name is "girlfriend".

"And yet, to others, things like murderer or attempted murderer spring to mind..."

No, that was about the other image, where she is holding a bow.

edited 26th Nov '10 5:58:47 PM by rodneyAnonymous

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#37: Nov 26th 2010 at 5:58:32 PM

Excuse me if I could not exactly tell which image you were referring to there. o.o

In any case, what exactly is it about the Avatar example that is so much better than the Shive example?

rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#38: Nov 26th 2010 at 6:00:19 PM

That picture could be about a Groin Attack, or hitting a Berserk Button, or... lots of things. And she isn't even being protective, she attacks and then runs away. The fact that a female is doing the attacking isn't obviously the focus of the image.

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
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#39: Nov 26th 2010 at 6:13:20 PM

Click the image if it's not legible, it's at 350.

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#40: Nov 26th 2010 at 6:17:35 PM

She drags him away by the hand, rodney. Combine this with the image showing her attacking a guy bigger than either of them. and it is apparent that she is willing to be violent to protect him. That she runs away may or may not be some level of subversion, but showing the kind of protectiveness normally expected of a guy towards a girlfriend gender-reversed seems to me like the kind of thing that would be well suited for a page image in any case.

edited 26th Nov '10 6:43:23 PM by neoYTPism

Sackett Since: Jan, 2001
#41: Nov 26th 2010 at 6:50:10 PM

Gah.. silly copy and paste.

Here is the Hungary picture.

@ rodney, those pictures have the exact same problem that the current picture does.

Sure it shows a violent girl. But it doesn't show girlfriend which is the main complaint about the current picture.

@ Deboss That one isn't even the trope. That's Clingy Jealous Girlfriend.

helterskelter Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#42: Nov 26th 2010 at 8:43:03 PM

[up] She looks sort of gigantic compared to him. Like she's his older sister...And, while she looks very violent, I'm not sure it invokes "protection" as opposed to "possession". He doesn't look in danger.

As for the Neytiri one it isn't clear what she's protecting. We see a body, but that could be her father, her brother, some random Na'vi. And, yeah, she looks sort of masculine there. If you've never seen or can't strictly remember the movie, it isn't entirely apparently she's female.

I agree that part of the problem with these pictures is we aren't being shown that the girl is the girlfriend. I think we're going to need a picture with text.

edited 26th Nov '10 8:44:47 PM by helterskelter

neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#43: Nov 26th 2010 at 8:49:21 PM

... at some point I do not think the image needs to make girlfriend status clear, seeing as how girlfriend is part of the trope name, and a page image is implied to be an example. Even Tiny Guy, Huge Girl should not be precluded from being used in this case.

I still personally prefer the Shive example though.

edited 26th Nov '10 8:49:45 PM by neoYTPism

Sackett Since: Jan, 2001
#44: Nov 26th 2010 at 8:54:16 PM

Wait...

If we don't need to make the girlfriend part clear then what's the matter with the current picture?

And why the obsession with pushing these Avatar pics where you can't tell who is what, or what she's doing?

GiantSpaceChinchilla Since: Oct, 2009
#45: Nov 26th 2010 at 9:01:54 PM

[up][up][up][up] so far liking that picture kind of Hot Amazon-ish which to my mind implies a relationship between the two.

Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#46: Nov 26th 2010 at 9:53:50 PM

And why the obsession with pushing these Avatar pics where you can't tell who is what, or what she's doing?
They're not so good with the Girlfriend part of the trope, admittedly, but the one with Neytiri brandishing her knife is a really good indicator of Violently Protective.

Actually, now that I think about it, I can see where someone might not be able to infer "protection" out of that pic, especially if they haven't seen the film.

edited 26th Nov '10 9:56:42 PM by Willbyr

neoYTPism Since: May, 2010
#47: Nov 26th 2010 at 9:56:24 PM

That and it is from the highest-grossing movie of all time. That kind of helps the recognizability along.

That said, I prefer the Shive example for now, at least until or unless someone can come along with a better Avatar example.

helterskelter Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#48: Nov 26th 2010 at 10:07:42 PM

[up] That doesn't mean everyone will be able to remember what is happening, or that everyone has seen it. We can agree probably a lot of people have never seen a Superman comic or movie or show, but they still know exactly who he is, and quite a bit about his mythos.

Avatar is very new. Probably everyone knows what the Na'vi look like, but I wouldn't rely on everyone understanding the context of that scene.

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#50: Dec 6th 2010 at 8:16:53 PM

Practically forgot about this topic until now. I say we wait for a few more options before starting a crowner.

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