TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

Eragon: I Liked It

Go To

melloncollie Since: Feb, 2012
#276: Feb 5th 2011 at 4:55:10 PM

^ I might be able to buy that. Saphira once turned a rock into diamond, elves do weird crap in the forest, dwarves have a real god.

I think it's not a good sign that all this has to be explained by Fan Wank, though.

jewelleddragon Also known as Katz from Pasadena, CA Since: Apr, 2009
Also known as Katz
#277: Feb 5th 2011 at 4:58:34 PM

If the logic is that magic is responsible for seeming contradictions and impossibilities, like geography that doesn't match up, then that makes magic more or less omnipotent and makes the story more or less unworkable. Galby a threat? Make his palace disappear with him in it. Wounded in battle? Just heal yourself instantly. Etc, etc. Any character to whom anything bad happens with that sort of magic at his or her disposal is just an idiot, because if you have arbitrary powers, there are always a thousand and one ways you could have used magic to make the problem go away.

snowfoxofdeath Thou errant flap-dragon! from San Francisco Suburb Since: Apr, 2012
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#279: Feb 21st 2011 at 3:42:52 AM

I also really enjoyed the Inheritance Cycle when I first read it (Would have been at most 15 when I started reading the series) and even now I still like (although I am aware of some of the other flaws). Most obviously, even when I was reading them the first time I noticed the similarities to Star Wars and I absolutely hated the Elves (bastards, all of them). However, anyone who wants to like it is entitled to and should not feel ashamed about it.

Also Wryte said earlier "And while yes, there are books worse than Inheritance out there, they don't receive nearly the attention and praise that Inheritance does."

...Twilight?

I'm really not seeing why the hatedom for the Inheritance Cycle is still so strong, this site is rampant with bias when the series isn't even being hyped up or praised as it was when the series was new. The hype has died down now, but the hate hasn't.

Promethax Evil Mastermind from Center of the Earth Since: Feb, 2011
Evil Mastermind
#280: Apr 1st 2011 at 9:47:17 AM

I think Eragon suffers from what I like to call "Pokemon Syndrome". While the original material is pretty good if not great, the series still gets a bad rep because of some lame adaptation.

So, in a nutshell, people hate the Eragon books because the movie sucked.

CyganAngel Away on the wind~ from Arcadia Since: Oct, 2010
Away on the wind~
#281: Apr 1st 2011 at 9:56:23 AM

People hated Eragon loooooong before the movie came out.

In fact, I'm willing to say many haters never even watched the movie.

There are too many toasters in my chimney!
MadassAlex I am vexed! from the Middle Ages. Since: Jan, 2001
I am vexed!
#282: Apr 1st 2011 at 9:32:37 PM

I dislike Eragon for many reasons, but mostly because I find reading it an absolute chore.

Swordsman TroperReclaiming The BladeWatch
Wryte Since: Jul, 2010
#283: Apr 2nd 2011 at 12:32:05 PM

^^ Most of us only watched the movie to rip it apart.

Eragon had a solid Hate Dom long before that movie was even being pitched.

badgertaco Hi, I'm Talos from The Imperial Throne Since: Jun, 2010
Hi, I'm Talos
#284: Apr 4th 2011 at 3:36:39 PM

I like it. It has Dragons :D

Thats the entire point here. DRAGONSDRAGONSDRAGONSDRAGONSDRAGONS.

Its definitely entertaning reading for people who like fantasy.

On the subject of Paolini's You Fail Logic Forever : Magic needs energy. So unless you have energy neccesary to reach thousands of miles and crush a castle please do so.

A castle which might not have Galby in it.

As for starwars parralells... So what?

Yes, there's an entire version of the jedi order, and lukes basic story, but Paolini presents it an entirely different way, in a different setting, with different characters, a different plot and different magical powers, a romantic intrest, no Han, no chewie, no R2 and 3P0, and F***ING DRAGONS!

That's all the series needs to be its own thing. Plus, with a plethora of info on the world the story takes place in, the series is damn good writing.

edited 4th Apr '11 3:41:44 PM by badgertaco

TALOSTALOSTALOSTALOSTALOSTALOS
snowfoxofdeath Thou errant flap-dragon! from San Francisco Suburb Since: Apr, 2012
Thou errant flap-dragon!
#285: Apr 4th 2011 at 4:47:42 PM

He took the plotline from Star Wars and the setting from various other fantasy works. I do not count the boring characters.

Totally original.

What he did make up by himself, however, is pretty bizarre.

edited 4th Apr '11 4:48:09 PM by snowfoxofdeath

Warm hugs and morally questionable advice given here. Prosey Bitchfest
cutewithoutthe Góðberit Norðling Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Star-crossed
Góðberit Norðling
#286: Apr 6th 2011 at 3:32:49 PM

...so what?

Dragons!!

And honestly, though he isn't a good writer, he's better than most people who claim they could do better.

No matter what, he has to have some talent.

Plus, Star Wars sucked and I can't take Lordofthe Rings seriously since I learned about that one plot hole.

And this topic is still alive?

XDXDXDXD

My topics never die.

EVER.

CyganAngel Away on the wind~ from Arcadia Since: Oct, 2010
Away on the wind~
#287: Apr 6th 2011 at 3:37:29 PM

He has technical talent.

What he does not have, however, is creative talent.

There are too many toasters in my chimney!
cutewithoutthe Góðberit Norðling Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Star-crossed
Góðberit Norðling
#288: Apr 6th 2011 at 3:39:54 PM

True; though I do love how sentient he made that blue dragon of his.

Whatever that name is.

He's the exact opposite of me; while I come up with good scenarios, I can't write for the life of me XD

MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
CyganAngel Away on the wind~ from Arcadia Since: Oct, 2010
Away on the wind~
#290: Apr 6th 2011 at 6:24:52 PM

It's not that hard. He just gave her yet another human personality.

There are too many toasters in my chimney!
ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
Ravenous Sophovore
#291: Apr 13th 2011 at 7:52:40 AM

Wait, what? Saphira is a cardboard-flat character that is more of a plot device than anything. Which is admittedly better than being a transparent Author Avatar, but still.

edited 13th Apr '11 7:52:52 AM by ccoa

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
CyganAngel Away on the wind~ from Arcadia Since: Oct, 2010
Away on the wind~
#292: Apr 13th 2011 at 6:35:05 PM

True.

There are too many toasters in my chimney!
MadassAlex I am vexed! from the Middle Ages. Since: Jan, 2001
I am vexed!
#293: Apr 14th 2011 at 6:46:46 AM

I wouldn't even say Paolini has technical talent.

Swordsman TroperReclaiming The BladeWatch
CyganAngel Away on the wind~ from Arcadia Since: Oct, 2010
Away on the wind~
#294: Apr 14th 2011 at 7:27:19 AM

To a small extent, he does. That is, it's not painful to read.

There are too many toasters in my chimney!
MadassAlex I am vexed! from the Middle Ages. Since: Jan, 2001
NateWinchester Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Sinking with my ship
#296: Apr 14th 2011 at 8:50:11 AM

There's coping mechanisms, and then there's the author failing to show that something actually matters to the character. Inheritance usually falls into the latter category.

Like I tell people over and over... Reinforce, reinforce, REINFORCE.

Are there any published Tropers on this site? Because OMG that would be so cool!! 0.0

I'm trying to become published. And chronicling the journey.

If a dragon in a particular work is supposed to be intelligent, we don't need to know the depth of it — we just need an inkling. The Hobbit, for instance, gives more information than is necessary, but a good amount of information considering the objectives of the story. The Warhammer setting tells us that dragons are both intelligent and savage, and you get a good idea of how this might play out in something such as Dragon Age.

I like Naomi Novik's treatment. That Paolini got a movie before her is a crime against humanity.

Thats the entire point here. DRAGONSDRAGONSDRAGONSDRAGONSDRAGONS.

Agreed. Dragons rock. They deserve better. Hence: read Novik.

Plus, Star Wars sucked and I can't take Lordofthe Rings seriously since I learned about that one plot hole.

What? The deal with the eagles? That's not a plot hole (especially if you keep in mind that eagles are not jets).

melloncollie Since: Feb, 2012
#297: Apr 14th 2011 at 9:05:07 AM

I actually really liked the movie.

Upon further reflection, I actually do find most of the books too tedious to read. I tend to skip anything that isn't fighting or Murtagh. Which ended up being most of Eldest :<

Well anyway. Looks like the fourth book has been announced (it's official, I checked on The Other Wiki as well). Title is Inheritance, it's coming out in November *

.

The cover flap made me lol.

"Long months of training and battle have brought victories and hope, but they have also brought heartbreaking loss. And still, the real battle lies ahead: they must confront Galbatorix. When they do, they will have to be strong enough to defeat him. And if they cannot, no one can. There will be no second chances."
Real elegant, there.

"The Rider and his dragon have come further than anyone dared to hope. But can they topple the evil king and restore justice to Alagaësia? And if so, at what cost?"
Hurm. Note how it mentions justice, but not peace or prosperity or anything like that.

wild mass guess Galby will be overthrown but it's a pyrrhic victory and Alagaesia ends up fucked.

Alynnidalar Since: Jun, 2010
#298: Apr 14th 2011 at 9:12:09 AM

Well, hullo, Nate!

Yeah, the eagle thing in Lot R isn't a plothole. I agree it's funny to parody, but it makes sense in context. Eagles aren't a taxi service, after all, and Mordor is slightly larger than a postage stamp.

My tangents tend to derail conversations immediately, though, so I'll try to get back on topic...

My opinion on Eragon (the original book) is that it's very, very, very mediocre fantasy. At the very least, it's certainly not the worst thing ever written. (that honor would belong to the Maradonia Saga, or possibly Dragon Lexicon Triumvirate) And some aspects of the later books show that Paolini is at least learning from his earlier mistakes, which is more than can be said for a lot of initially poor writers. Brisingr, for example, had absolutely no plot (I'm desperately trying to remember what even happened in it... Eragon went to see the dwarves and Orik became king, and then he went to see Oromis for no reason, and then... um... another battle, I think? And Oromis died?), but the writing wasn't all that bad compared to some of the earlier stuff.

Mind you, I'm not saying they're masterpieces of art, as they certainly are not. I'm simply saying that the last book is probably going to be better than the first two, and there's a chance the writing may have improved further, bringing it into the realm of "acceptable but not all that great" writing as opposed to "the purple is spilling out of my ears".

edited 14th Apr '11 9:13:02 AM by Alynnidalar

melloncollie Since: Feb, 2012
#299: Apr 14th 2011 at 9:15:43 AM

From the one short part I've read of Inheritance, it looked ok.

NateWinchester Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Sinking with my ship
#300: Apr 14th 2011 at 9:25:01 AM

  • waves to Alynnidalar* (you an Imp too? Drop a line on my wall.)

My opinion on Eragon (the original book) is that it's very, very, very mediocre fantasy. At the very least, it's certainly not the worst thing ever written. (that honor would belong to the Maradonia Saga, or possibly Dragon Lexicon Triumvirate)

You had to bring it up... didn't you? DLT... the flashbacks... no! I don't want to go back to the room! Oh da pills.... da pills are good....... zzzzz..z....

edited 14th Apr '11 9:25:33 AM by NateWinchester


Total posts: 528
Top