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catch_the_sun Perpetually Peckish from Shidoni Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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#101: Feb 23rd 2010 at 9:48:36 PM

I usually run 4 copies of a card in my deck. Hey, it helps to maximise the odds.

edited 23rd Feb '10 9:50:13 PM by catch_the_sun

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Blackmoon Since: May, 2009
#102: Feb 23rd 2010 at 9:49:37 PM

I'm iffy about running four copies of a card unless it's good enough to justify it. Mostly because I'm indecisive, and having four of something means I can't have as much of something else.

Mapi "keionbu ni yokusou, nyan?" from Sakurakou Keionbu Since: Aug, 2011
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#103: Feb 23rd 2010 at 9:51:01 PM

I don't recommend a set of that card, because it's too heavy on the mana. That, and to rely on Mirari for maximum effectivity isn't my best line of work in this game. I'd probably settle for 2 or 3 since the mana cost is too steep to utilize effectively.

IMO, you're better off with 4 Shriekmaws.

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#104: Feb 23rd 2010 at 9:51:48 PM

I do have enough Shriekmaws for that, but what do you reckon they replace?

catch_the_sun Perpetually Peckish from Shidoni Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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#105: Feb 23rd 2010 at 9:51:56 PM

Well, I mostly run blue. So, counterspells. Spot removals. They really do need 4 copies. Because I basically need it.

Anyway, I don't know. 5 to cast. That's a bit costly. I would prefer Faceless Butcher. They, at least, get a pump from Chainer.

Oh, and I think you can stand to lose Night of Soul's Betrayal.

edited 23rd Feb '10 9:57:02 PM by catch_the_sun

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Mapi "keionbu ni yokusou, nyan?" from Sakurakou Keionbu Since: Aug, 2011
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#107: Feb 23rd 2010 at 9:55:21 PM

I mostly run W/G/R. Anyway, I say take Sadistic Sacraments, Swallowing Plague, and Night of Soul's Betrayal out.

I'm sorry, but I dislike having only one copy of a card in my deck unless it's Legendary.

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#108: Feb 23rd 2010 at 9:57:39 PM

(Well, Night of Souls' Betrayal is legendary...)

I guess I can part with Swallowing Plague, but I like the fact that it's basically an X-cost Tendrils of Corruption.

Mapi "keionbu ni yokusou, nyan?" from Sakurakou Keionbu Since: Aug, 2011
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#109: Feb 23rd 2010 at 9:59:35 PM

It's too mana heavy, and Night of Soul's Betrayal is too... I dunno, negligible compared to its cost?

I mean, why bother with -1/-1'ing all creatures when you can raep his ass with creatures with Fear? I say you put in cards to pump up your creatures *cough* Bad Moon *cough*

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#110: Feb 23rd 2010 at 10:01:41 PM

Man, if I could get my hands on a Bad Moon... best I can do is Ascendant Evincar, and at least he synergizes with Night of Souls' Betrayal.

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#111: Feb 23rd 2010 at 10:03:20 PM

I suddenly thought of a classic Kami Thief of Hope deck...

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arimnaes Falls Up Since: Apr, 2009
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#112: Feb 23rd 2010 at 10:18:07 PM

The biggest thing you can do to smooth the deck out overall is to commit more heavily one way or the other towards aggro or control. Right now you've got a lot of very expensive creatures and spells that will only be useful if the game runs relatively long, but then you've also got Child of Night and Mesmeric Fiend, which are both at their strongest on turn 2 and then tend to rapidly decline in value. Assuming you want to stick with nightmares and lifegain as subthemes, I'd recommend replacing them with more copies of Faceless Butcher, Tendrils of Corruption, and Consume Spirit (especially if you can find some more Cabal Coffers to power it up.)

It looks like you'll presently end up struggling against decks that don't rely heavily on creatures, so you may also want to consider Duress or some similar card against other control decks. Mind Sludge can be also be devastating.

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#113: Feb 23rd 2010 at 10:27:57 PM

Decklist revised to reflect current changes. Removed both Children of Night, because they rarely end up being worth it. Might replace something with another Shriekmaw in the future.

EDIT: Dropped a Swamp and replaced a Mesmeric Fiend with another Shriekmaw.

edited 23rd Feb '10 11:12:11 PM by Blackmoon

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#114: Feb 23rd 2010 at 11:46:02 PM

In terms of multiples, Moonie-kun, a common rule of thumb is:

  • 4 if you would like to see the card more than once during the game
  • 3 if you would like to see the card during the game
  • 2 if you would like the card for the endgame
  • 1...just don't (see below)

If you're just building a deck with what you have on hand, you often can't use as many as is recommended, but you should never voluntarily go fewer than the appropriate category unless you have some way to fetch up the cards you need.

I personally hate following the guideline since I really like having a lot of variety, but not doing so is bad news against anyone who's a bit more on the competitive side.

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#115: Feb 23rd 2010 at 11:51:04 PM

Duly noted, again.

Thankfully, in my circle there's only one competetive guy, and nobody likes him. And out of all the people there, maybe two of them run a control deck besides myself, and that's considering this to be a very loose form of control.

I think I should be in the clear with this for the time being. waii

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#116: Feb 23rd 2010 at 11:59:31 PM

My ELVES! deck runs on something like this:

Total: 60 cards.

Best game I had with this was a turn-3 kill. Most overkill I ever had was 33 5/5 tokens with trample.

edited 24th Feb '10 12:03:04 AM by Mapi

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#117: Feb 24th 2010 at 4:09:11 PM

Hm. 'Nother question: this different deck I'm working on is sorta weird. It's red/black, with a focus on Demons, so it's almost 100% creatures. There's only a handful of sorceries and instants, but what I want is to put in some more enchantments to slow everyone else down. All I've got right now is Pyrostatic Pillar, 2 Glooms, and a Yawgmoth's Edict. Now, obviously, this is all well and good versus weenie decks and white decks, but I need some stuff that hates on the other parts of the color pie, too. Especially green. Suggestions?

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#118: Feb 24th 2010 at 4:19:57 PM

Well, if you want a card that tends to slow Green down, you can't do much better than Perish. Still, I wouldn't recommend playing a bunch of different color-hosers as a strategy - against any given opponent, most of them will be useless. Also, I suspect you'll find that Pyrostatic Pillar is not that good at slowing down aggressive decks - they know you're not going to start threatening their life total until the late game, so they'll gladly take 2 damage a bunch of times en route to running you over. At least, a competent opponent will.

If you're in Black/Red and want to slow down the early rush, I'd recommend Pyroclasm, Massacre, Pestilence and similar cards, in addition to targeted removal like Terminate for the tougher creatures. If your deck is mostly demons, most of your creatures will likely be tough enough to survive small amounts of damage and -X/-X effects.

edited 24th Feb '10 5:34:09 PM by arimnaes

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#119: Feb 24th 2010 at 4:30:53 PM

Pyrostatic Pillar has yet to fail me, because the guys I play with tend to quail at the thought of losing 2 life for half the stuff they play when there's stuff like Rakdos equipped with Tenza staring them down.

But! Suggestions noted. For some reason, mass removal slipped my mind.

catch_the_sun Perpetually Peckish from Shidoni Since: May, 2009 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
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#120: Feb 24th 2010 at 4:45:55 PM

By the way, arim, do you realise half of your links don't quite work?

Or maybe it's just a server thing. Except you can still search for them. Weird.

The Gatherer website has experienced an unexpected server error. We apologize for the inconvenience this has caused and are working to correct the problem. In the mean time, you can:

EDIT: Anyway, how common is regen nowadays? I think artifacts are becoming more and more common (Thank you, Mirrodin.). So that might justify replacing Terror with Doom Blade.

edited 24th Feb '10 4:54:00 PM by catch_the_sun

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#121: Feb 24th 2010 at 5:33:24 PM

It looks like for some reason, a single character keeps getting ellipsed when I copy the gatherer links. "Pages" becomes "Page." Weird.

Mapi "keionbu ni yokusou, nyan?" from Sakurakou Keionbu Since: Aug, 2011
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#122: Feb 25th 2010 at 12:56:56 AM

So people, any comments on my deck?

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KylerThatch literary masochist Since: Jan, 2001
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#123: Feb 25th 2010 at 1:06:05 AM

Can't say, since I find it nigh-impossible to get a proper feel for a decklist until I see it in play.

Though I ought to remember to install a few copies of Elvish Promenade in my own Elf deck, if I ever start playing again.

This "faculty lot" you speak of sounds like a place of great power...
Mapi "keionbu ni yokusou, nyan?" from Sakurakou Keionbu Since: Aug, 2011
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#124: Feb 25th 2010 at 1:06:52 AM

We both lack a new land that does:

"T: Put a +1/+1 counter on each creature you control that came into play this turn."

Forgot its name.

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#125: Feb 25th 2010 at 1:27:01 AM

Here, my Just for Fun Elf deck. Assembled with whatever (cheap) cards I could find in the card store  *

at the time I decided to whip up such a deck.

13 Forests
2 Swamps
2 Greenseeker
4 Elven Riders
1 Elvish Herder
2 Nullmage Shepherd
3 Silhana Ledgewalker
4 Silhana Starfletcher
3 Stonewood Invoker
4 Timberwatch Elf
1 Wellwisher
3 Wirewood Guardian
3 Wirewood Herald
2 Viridian Longbow
2 Broken Fall
4 Elvish Guidance
4 Wear Away
1 Disturbed Burial
1 Fireball

60 cards. 15 lands, 30 creatures, 14 other cards... ... ...hey, that's only 59? What's the missing card and where did it go?

This "faculty lot" you speak of sounds like a place of great power...

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