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PataHikari Since: Jan, 2001
#301: Aug 2nd 2011 at 6:14:27 PM

The loss of troll faces is the biggest problem with the HD Umineko sprites.

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#302: Aug 2nd 2011 at 6:52:31 PM

[up][up][up] Congratulation, you just end up recreating by yourself a variation of Detective Delicious' Fan Nickname.tongue

[up]Isn't it? Their troll faces are ugly, for some reason. It does't have the same impact.

LiberatedLiberater 奇跡の魔女 from [DATA EXPUNGED] Since: Jun, 2011
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#303: Aug 2nd 2011 at 8:21:24 PM

Beatrice just doesn't have the same coolface, doesn't she. AND THE GOATS. THOSE GOATS.

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#304: Aug 2nd 2011 at 8:59:13 PM

[up]I actually like the new goats.tongue Maybe a bit Narmy, but it worked for me.

Looking again at the PS 3 sprites, I also noticed creepy!Maria is not good. Sure, it is not as shitty as the anime, but her face is way too deformed (this style would work better in the troll faces, actually). The original creepy!Maria is a masterpiece, I guess. Her expression is very natural and not jarring. What make it creepy is solely the fact it is a child making it. Both the anime and PS 3 decided to exaggerate it, to give more emphasis, but the result just weakened the impact.

Nyarly Das kann doch nicht sein! from Saksa Since: Feb, 2012
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#305: Aug 2nd 2011 at 10:57:24 PM

I don't actually mind the original graphics. Although I try hard to not look at the hands. Still, the PS 2 graphics are much better (although I only have a patch for Meakashi). It would have been great if the graphics were based on the manga adaptations. Especially the ones that were drawn by Karin Suzuragi.

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CommanderObvious intellectual rapist from Unmei no Itaru Basho Since: Jul, 2011
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#306: Aug 3rd 2011 at 12:17:07 AM

thinking about it
i should get am original beatrice troll face as my avatar
her troll face makes me want to eat a sandwich

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LiberatedLiberater 奇跡の魔女 from [DATA EXPUNGED] Since: Jun, 2011
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#307: Aug 3rd 2011 at 12:49:43 AM

[up] Slice up your cow tits!

The Umineko graphics I was able to get used to, but the Higurashi ones were... ugh. Thank the internet for PS 2 patches.

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PataHikari Since: Jan, 2001
#308: Aug 3rd 2011 at 12:56:11 AM

Oh yeah, Umineko graphics are at the very least in the "tolerable" range.

LiberatedLiberater 奇跡の魔女 from [DATA EXPUNGED] Since: Jun, 2011
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#309: Aug 3rd 2011 at 1:02:24 AM

Actually, I thought that they got better by Episode 7. Will and Lion actually look more properly drawn than the rest of the cast. Loli!Ange, on the other hand...

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CommanderObvious intellectual rapist from Unmei no Itaru Basho Since: Jul, 2011
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#310: Aug 3rd 2011 at 1:04:22 AM

beato looks great
EDDITED CUZ D Evi ANTART IS EVIL AND STUFF

edited 3rd Aug '11 1:09:36 AM by CommanderObvious

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#311: Aug 3rd 2011 at 1:07:53 AM

[up][up]I thought the same thing. Ange aside Will also looks better. Considering the huge improvement between Higurashi and Umineko, When They Cry 5 may actually be quite well drawn (or whatever be 07's new project).

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edited 3rd Aug '11 1:08:14 AM by Heatth

LiberatedLiberater 奇跡の魔女 from [DATA EXPUNGED] Since: Jun, 2011
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#312: Aug 3rd 2011 at 1:17:19 AM

I heard that Higanbana No Saku Yoru Ni is going to get a VN. It's not related to the When They Cry canon so far, though.

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#313: Aug 3rd 2011 at 1:29:51 AM

Interesting. But it is not really a Ryukishi07 project. For one thing, the characters sprites won't be his, most likely, but either from the manga artist of from the original character designer.

Nyarly Das kann doch nicht sein! from Saksa Since: Feb, 2012
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#314: Aug 3rd 2011 at 1:31:59 AM

Why? According to what I know, Ryukishi07 is adapting it himself, so it is his project. That he doesn't draw the sprites himself doesn't change that.

edited 3rd Aug '11 1:32:12 AM by Nyarly

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CommanderObvious intellectual rapist from Unmei no Itaru Basho Since: Jul, 2011
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#315: Aug 3rd 2011 at 1:33:41 AM

[up][up]he wrote it and hes gonna be the director as [up] post said

edited 3rd Aug '11 1:34:00 AM by CommanderObvious

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#316: Aug 3rd 2011 at 1:42:37 AM

[up][up]It is not uncommon for the artist to have their own input in the series. More important, being the director don't mean it is completely his project. He is the planner and director of Ookami Kakushi, but it is not really considered one of his main projects, is it?

Also, wasn't we discussing the art in the first place? Seeing his art evolving in his next work was the reason I brought up his future projects at all. If he is not the artist, then this project is meaningless for the discussion.

That being said, Higanbana No Saku Yoru Ni is, at last, a 07th Expansion project (unlike Ookami, which is from Konami). So I believe it is 'his' project, yeah, even though it is, again, useless for the previous topic.

lilylilium Conspiracy Theorist Since: Apr, 2011
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#317: Aug 3rd 2011 at 3:55:31 AM

He is drawing for Higanbana.

And Higanbana has an oversized deformed head, though the shading got better.

I've known about it since the beginning. But I just refused to believe it.
CyganAngel Away on the wind~ from Arcadia Since: Oct, 2010
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#318: Aug 3rd 2011 at 6:28:13 AM

I guess I wrote a review of this show, although I did not intend it to be a review.

Please note that I both watched the series, and wrote this, while drunk.

[[http://itjustbugsme.com/forums/discussion/6231/higurashi. Here it is.]] Would you say this review is fair or unfair?

I cannot link this properly. Hm. Sorry.

edited 3rd Aug '11 6:29:22 AM by CyganAngel

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CommanderObvious intellectual rapist from Unmei no Itaru Basho Since: Jul, 2011
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#319: Aug 3rd 2011 at 7:50:31 AM

[up]i will say its a bit unfair since you forgot the "charms"
its pretty bizarre to see that Higurashi and Umineko has charms that have nothing to do with the crazy gory deaths
Higurashi has that crazy Answer Arc (2nd season in the anime) that blew my mind
when it suddenly all made sense and made the final episodes epic
while Umineko has scenes that resemble a particularly famous visual novel that has to do with lawyers
that makes the story more spectacular than its already-awesome precedessor
and filled with tons of Fridge Horror moments

of course, this may be my fanboyism (ROCKETOJIMA ISLAND) and glee at murder mysteries done right
and while it is true the violence is over-the-top and sometimes sadistic
people should take credit the mystery aspect which fans are so turned on by

edited 3rd Aug '11 7:50:41 AM by CommanderObvious

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CyganAngel Away on the wind~ from Arcadia Since: Oct, 2010
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#320: Aug 3rd 2011 at 7:58:54 AM

I mentioned the two aspects that I thought were most relevant to the point I was making- the mystery arc and the violence/horror.

The mystery arc is one of the prime draws of the series, and it was the part of the series that I actually enjoyed.

The violence/horror was the biggest concern, though. The violence is so over-the-top at times, and yet it is done without a hint of irony. It was the bit I was focused on, as it is the biggest dealbreaker for me. If you don't like the thought of violence, or if you can't stand too much of it, then this show is not for you.

However, if you can, or if you enjoy that, then this series may well be for you. It has a good myth arc, and its' characters are mostly relatable and nice.

However, I should have focused more on the characters, too, you are right.

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Nyarly Das kann doch nicht sein! from Saksa Since: Feb, 2012
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#321: Aug 3rd 2011 at 12:52:37 PM

its pretty bizarre to see that Higurashi and Umineko has charms that have nothing to do with the crazy gory deaths
Oh, this. When I first read about Higurashi, I had the impression that the characters kill each other all the time and that it's little more than mindless violence. When I read the mangas, I realized that it's in fact much more. The interactions with characters each other and, with that, the story, why the murders happen in the first place, seem more important than the murders themselves.

Well, if my first impression were right, it wouldn't be one of my favorite series now.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#322: Aug 3rd 2011 at 4:29:00 PM

Okay I pretty much knew immediately that Shion and Mion were different people, but when it's revealed I think I was supposed to find it funny. Instead, Shion seems like a horrible person.

I mean, Mion is all upset and all after as can be expected. But the music that was playing seems jarringly inappropriate.

edited 3rd Aug '11 4:31:29 PM by Arha

RunoEddie Since: Sep, 2010
#323: Aug 3rd 2011 at 5:17:32 PM

I don't remember the song that played during that scene, but I do remember that I thought at the time that Shion was a total bitch.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#324: Aug 3rd 2011 at 5:33:59 PM

The cheerful, jaunty music that plays in some lighthearted scenes. Like it was just a little trick and didn't mean much.

edited 3rd Aug '11 5:34:19 PM by Arha

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#325: Aug 3rd 2011 at 7:52:15 PM

[up][up][up]If I remember correctly, it was supposed to be seem as a tease between sisters. The kind of cruel joke the bigger sibling pull over then younger one. At any rate, this was made to establish Shion as 'someone who wins over' Mion, since Mion have been played before as the 'unflinching' leader.

Btw, may I ask how much you have been spoiled (if at all)? The existence of Shion is something one could accidentally be spoiled even if avoiding it, as it is kinda Late-Arrival Spoiler, for she makes an appearance every chapter afterward (so it is hard not mention her her while talking of the series). Yet, you didn't know about it. May I assume you don't know the latter twists either?


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