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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#226: Feb 9th 2012 at 8:50:45 AM

Ninja'd.

IIRC he said that his seat-ejection system was broken/damaged from the hit.

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Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#227: Feb 9th 2012 at 8:51:53 AM

And if you say you see a place to land, Edge immediately says "the stadium!", despite the fact that you'd think that she of all people would realize that telling him to put down in the river would put fewer people in the way of less harm.

[up]he had time to chat on the radio until the end. he could have instead tried to radio for rescue and made a belly landing in the river. If it didn't work, well, the other course of action would have been guaranteed death, and the belly landing in the river would just be nearly assured death.

edited 9th Feb '12 8:53:40 AM by Balmung

ThatOneGuyNamedX Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#228: Feb 9th 2012 at 11:12:39 AM

Question: I've found the lyrics for every pretentious Latin song in the games except for Zero. What does it say in the chorus?

DRCEQ Since: Oct, 2009
#229: Feb 9th 2012 at 2:23:34 PM

[up] I wasn't aware those lyrics were translatable. Now I'm curious too. Megalith is Dies Irae (or so I've heard), and the Unsung War is the story of the Razgriz sung in latin. Now I want to know what they're singing in Zero.

In regards to crashing during refueling, the A-10 is part of the reason why. Each plane has it's own default flying speed. You level out the aircraft with autopilot so it's just flying straight forward, and then if you don't accelerate or brake any, the plane will fly at it's own default speed.

Most aircraft have a default speed between 400-600 MPH. The A-10's is closer around 300. When you're flying the A-10 and give the others, oh.. say the Foxbat, Wyvern, or FALKEN, the computer is constantly forcing them to slow down just to stay in formation, but then they'll brake too hard and fall out of formation, so they must speed up again.

Normally during those refueling sequences, I just accelerate right up to the spot and be done with it since that's also how you get the best score out of it.

That wasn't the problem. My much faster teammates had no trouble staying in formation when I did that.

It was after the hose had connected to my plane and the scene was about to end. Suddenly I die, hearing Edge shout "BLAZE IS GOING DOWN!" and the mission failed message showing up on screen. During the replay, I see that Edge is bouncing back and forth behind me just to stay in formation, and accelerated too hard, crashing into me. XD

edited 9th Feb '12 2:25:43 PM by DRCEQ

ThatOneGuyNamedX Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#230: Feb 9th 2012 at 2:38:29 PM

Megalith is Agnus Dei (Lamb Of God), not Dies Irae (Day of Wrath). Those are two entirely different pieces (One is about forgiveness, the other about Judgement, which is pretty fitting to the tone of 4). And I think Zero is supposed to make sense. I could make out the first chorus of The Unsung War near the middle. The part sung by a woman, that doesn't mean anything in particular.

edited 9th Feb '12 2:39:01 PM by ThatOneGuyNamedX

DRCEQ Since: Oct, 2009
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#232: Feb 19th 2012 at 5:17:28 AM

So, I've watched a video of AC 6's Ragno Fortress mission.

Those poor Stovies manning the defenses in the tunnels never stood a chance, did they? [lol]

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Cassie The armored raven from Malaysia, but where? Since: Feb, 2011
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#233: Feb 19th 2012 at 6:38:04 AM

@video above : That was some bad flying. And hit by the AA guns? Please, that will never happen to me

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MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#234: Feb 19th 2012 at 6:48:39 AM

Well, the guy who did this appears to be the only one on youtube who is willing to take the tunnel operation. I was more focused on the panicked/disbelieving Stovie radio chatter.

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ThatOneGuyNamedX Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#235: Feb 19th 2012 at 7:01:09 AM

How comes no one who designs these tunnels thinks "You know all those things about pilots flying into stuff blowing shit up? we should do something about it" at this point? That's how every war ends in this universe.

Also, what the hell is this?

Cassie The armored raven from Malaysia, but where? Since: Feb, 2011
The armored raven
#236: Feb 19th 2012 at 7:06:06 AM

[up]Awesome idea incarnate. Execution may disappoint

Since Ace Combat 3 has Sepia, it makes sense to be the precursor to the later progressions of UGSF

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ThatOneGuyNamedX Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#237: Feb 19th 2012 at 7:08:31 AM

I know, it sounds cool, but it seems completely out of left field that they'd merge Galaga, Galaxian. Star Luster...

But then again, this could mean an actual Ace Combat 3 remake for the American market! *crossing ALL my fingers*

Cassie The armored raven from Malaysia, but where? Since: Feb, 2011
The armored raven
#238: Feb 19th 2012 at 7:16:38 AM

It also means Strangereal is spawning off strange-awesome

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ThatOneGuyNamedX Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#239: Feb 19th 2012 at 7:31:42 AM

I retire my previous statement. This is going to be fucking epic.

Though I kinda wish they'd flesh out the "present-ish" world of Strangereal a bit more in the next few AC games.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#240: Feb 19th 2012 at 8:54:35 AM

How comes no one who designs these tunnels thinks "You know all those things about pilots flying into stuff blowing shit up? we should do something about it" at this point? That's how every war ends in this universe.
The impression that I got is that the hugeness of those tunnels allowing planes to fly through them is a completely unintended byproduct of the design. The Stovies and even some of the Emmerians' surprised reactions in the above video certainly reinforce that notion.

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ThatOneGuyNamedX Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#241: Feb 19th 2012 at 9:06:34 AM

Knowing that most of these Ace Pilots are worldly renowned in-universe, it wouldn't strike me as odd if some Genre Savvy engineer said "You remember that thing in the newspapers about that guy who blew up the V2 launch site from the inside? Maybe we should add some sort of AA weaponry in our giant underground tunnels. Just sayin'".

That being said, considering the machines we're talking about in the first place (superweapons, underground fuck-the-world machines, etc.), it makes sens that the tunnels are that big, imagine the amount of material needed to get in-out quickly on a daily basis, and I don't think they can afford to risk the tunnel being too small to accommodate, say, a couple trucks going in.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#242: Feb 19th 2012 at 9:18:07 AM

The Ace Pilots may be world-renowned, but if the NPC/enemy chatter in the Ragno Fortress mission (set in 2020) is anything to judge by, it appears that nothing about the Avalon Dam battle's "destroy the missiles in the underground tunnel" operation in 1995 or the Osean-Yuktobanian joint operation at Sudentor in December 2010's tunnel attack was ever revealed to the general public. Bird Eater of the Emmerian Forces certainly believes that "[i]t's never been done before."

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ThatOneGuyNamedX Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#243: Feb 19th 2012 at 9:25:51 AM

Well, you know that saying most war games throw out every once in a while, "[...]Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" (that's the actual way Santayana said it, BTW), I'm guessing it's partly what happens here.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#244: Feb 19th 2012 at 10:06:48 AM

Yup. The Belkan War Allies, the Oseans and Yuktobanians in the Circum-Pacific War, and the Emmerians have probably decided that it's best to never reveal such a glaring weakness in such a design, on the off chance that yet another evil superpower/organization in the future might try to takeover the world, and part of its plans involve such tunnel systems in some way. Payed off spectacularly in Ace Combat 3 (2045), in which you do just that in the "Tunnel Vision" mission (on only one route in the original, non-linear game).

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DRCEQ Since: Oct, 2009
#245: Feb 19th 2012 at 10:15:56 AM

Wow, the acting in that video was atrocious, even by my standards of forgiveness.

Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
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#246: Feb 19th 2012 at 11:25:00 AM

I wonder if the stories are even considered exaggerations. Like people went "Wait, a jet flew in and blew it up? Riiiiiiight..."

ThatOneGuyNamedX Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#247: Feb 19th 2012 at 11:35:41 AM

[up] probably people consider it just dumb conspiracy theories in general. If you were told, say, the russians had a doomsday device (I mean, one that actually works) and ONE person blew it up with a plane underground, would you seriously believe it?

Of course, in case of 5, it should be common knowledge, since it happened in an urban area with the news and all.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#248: Feb 19th 2012 at 12:02:55 PM

It was a war zone. A chaotic one at that. And Razgriz Squadron's planes were not marked as Osean or Yuktobanian aircraft, as part of their status as a top-secret black ops unit under President Harling's direct command. "Razgriz Squadron" is also officialy no more than a rumour, since there's no real evidence substantiating their existence beyond a few eyewitness sightings by civilians and the rare military survivor of their operations, which can be discredited as unreliable. And while I don't remember any news reporters being around in that mission, I am fairly certain that if any had actually reported that, they would probably be disbelieved. Besides, on in-universe official records, nobody actually saw them come out, right? If the public did learn of "a few planes entering the Sudentor tunnel for some obscure reason" and actually believed it, they'd probably still assume that they crashed somewhere inside.

edited 19th Feb '12 12:04:28 PM by MarqFJA

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ThatOneGuyNamedX Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#249: Feb 19th 2012 at 12:16:02 PM

[up] Point taken, though the presence of a flag with the Razgriz insignia at the epilogue makes me think that everything went public eventually.

MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#250: Feb 19th 2012 at 1:32:14 PM

Yeah, IIRC it was said somewhere (probably in supplemental materials) that Osea would eventually release all of the classified documents regarding what was uncovered about the Circum-Pacific War's truths and secrets after 10/20 years, sorta like what the real-life US does with its own classified documents.

Well, probably not everything; only the stuff that got "officially recorded". tonguewink After all, if it's not on their official records, then there's no proof that it exists, right?

edited 19th Feb '12 1:34:44 PM by MarqFJA

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