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MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#26: Sep 19th 2010 at 4:41:19 PM

Screw .50 cal then. Up it to 20mm or better. The Germans were notorious for turning 20mm guns against our boys in WW 2.

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#27: Sep 19th 2010 at 5:25:09 PM

Consider bullets and shrapnel can ricochet off of hard surfaces. Shock waves tend to pass through armor and obstacles. With the exception of the face is this sealed armor does it have the gaps for articulation like medieval armor does?

If tank shells are giving him massive bruising what would a large artillery shell do? What about aerial rockets and large bombs?

edited 19th Sep '10 5:26:44 PM by TuefelHundenIV

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Edmania o hai from under a pile of erasers Since: Apr, 2010
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#28: Sep 19th 2010 at 5:41:54 PM

It has gaps, but under those gaps are mail, which is also bulletproof, so. (and under that is kevlar padding)

A large bomb (with him being within the bomb's explosive range) would most likely kill him, but he has ways to avoid such bombs in the first place.

I'm not sure about what aerial rockets would do. Also, a large artillery shell could probably tear his armor and break his limbs.

edited 19th Sep '10 5:45:43 PM by Edmania

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#29: Sep 19th 2010 at 6:11:11 PM

Considering they liked to kill tanks and shoot ships with Aerial rockets it might not be a nice thing.

Oh yeah bazooka's or Panzershrek's what about those weapons.

Also Rocket Artillery pretty much every side in the conflict used it.

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#30: Sep 19th 2010 at 6:17:10 PM

A bazooka or a Panzerschreck would probably break his bones from sheer direct impact, although the main problem would be the explosion for him. Not sure of the results.

Also, he only fights in an Urban Warfare situation.

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#31: Sep 19th 2010 at 6:21:31 PM

keep in mind Urban combat would limit his mobility and possibly expose him to more danger. If he is fast and agile he sounds like he would be better suited more open terrain.

Or he could chop through walls but that might make something big like a wall fall over on him.

Oh before I forget...tanks possibly running him over.

edited 19th Sep '10 6:23:39 PM by TuefelHundenIV

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Edmania o hai from under a pile of erasers Since: Apr, 2010
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#32: Sep 19th 2010 at 6:28:25 PM

It would limit his mobility further, but he doesn't have to put up with things like aerial rockets as often. (Or should he? I'm not exactly the best person when it comes to modern war)

I don't believe tanks would run him over, they aren't exactly the fastest vehicles.

He's fast enough to avoid things like rubble from walls, though.

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#33: Sep 19th 2010 at 6:36:43 PM

How fast is he? A PanzerIV can go up to 26 mph on roads or road like terrain.

Also there are faster armored combat vehicles are faster and more mobile then a tank but would still squish an infantryman flat like the Panzer one Light Tank or Half Tracks or Armored Cars.

edited 19th Sep '10 6:37:04 PM by TuefelHundenIV

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Edmania o hai from under a pile of erasers Since: Apr, 2010
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#34: Sep 19th 2010 at 6:42:17 PM

He can run at 45 miles per hour normally and can jump unusually high.

As for lighter vehicles like armored cars, while they would certainly hurt him very much it won't break his bones.

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SandJosieph Since: Dec, 2009
#35: Sep 19th 2010 at 6:51:42 PM

I don't know about him not having to deal with things like rockets. Urban warfare can be an absolute nightmare if the enemy is using rockets.

Edmania o hai from under a pile of erasers Since: Apr, 2010
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#36: Sep 19th 2010 at 6:54:36 PM

I assumed that larger weapons are much less efficient in urban war as long as either group doesn't intend to destroy the city or something.

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SandJosieph Since: Dec, 2009
#37: Sep 19th 2010 at 7:00:13 PM

Problem with that idea is that most of the time the enemy really only cares about leaving only the most important structures standing. Everything else can be reduced to rubble.

Edmania o hai from under a pile of erasers Since: Apr, 2010
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#38: Sep 19th 2010 at 7:03:20 PM

"Most important" being...?

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SandJosieph Since: Dec, 2009
#39: Sep 19th 2010 at 7:06:04 PM

Places where things can be produced, places where communications are received and sent, repair facilities, etc.

Edmania o hai from under a pile of erasers Since: Apr, 2010
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#40: Sep 19th 2010 at 7:06:55 PM

Isn't that a lot of places?

Like, hundreds of buildings?

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SandJosieph Since: Dec, 2009
#41: Sep 19th 2010 at 7:12:20 PM

Not really. During WWII, there were usually only a few facilities needed in any strategic town. The only real large places were those port cities and places where there were heavy concentrations of civilians needed for manufacturing.

Edmania o hai from under a pile of erasers Since: Apr, 2010
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#42: Sep 19th 2010 at 7:14:43 PM

Hm.

In modern times?

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#43: Sep 19th 2010 at 7:15:05 PM

If this in World War II many cities were pretty much flattened.

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SandJosieph Since: Dec, 2009
#44: Sep 19th 2010 at 7:16:27 PM

In modern times, technology has allowed us to also make important assets smaller and most things can simply be transported in from outside the battlefield.

Edmania o hai from under a pile of erasers Since: Apr, 2010
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#45: Sep 19th 2010 at 7:19:24 PM

For what reason would a city not be flattened, then?

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SandJosieph Since: Dec, 2009
#46: Sep 19th 2010 at 7:23:10 PM

Luck? And some cities would simply be ignored because they weren't all that important. Also, most cities were decimated, not by ground units, but by aerial bombardment.

Edmania o hai from under a pile of erasers Since: Apr, 2010
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#47: Sep 19th 2010 at 7:24:19 PM

Why would urban war ever happen in WWII then?

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Morgulion An accurate depiction from Cornholes Since: May, 2009
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#48: Sep 19th 2010 at 7:25:32 PM

Because

1. A city would remain a hodgepodge of enemy activity.

2. Limited air force capacity.

3. Enemy air forces.

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#49: Sep 19th 2010 at 7:26:29 PM

An enemy can turn a city into a fortified position that pretty much requires you smash the city to dig them out. It is far less dangerous and resource consuming to wreck the city and burn it to the ground then to try and keep it intact.

In world war two any building could house an enemy position like machine guns, mortars on roofs, snipers, anti-tank weapons etc.

Also don't forget despite their age some of the old fortified buildings in Europe from earlier times make handy fortifications.

Also some cities were wanted as intact as possible.

edited 19th Sep '10 7:27:02 PM by TuefelHundenIV

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MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#50: Sep 19th 2010 at 7:28:04 PM

For what reason would a city not be flattened, then?

In WW 2: Because it held something strategically or more importantly propagandically important. Paris was one such target. It had nothing of strategic value and thus could have been bombed to ashes Eiffel Tower and all or simply avoided. But the Allied Powers (like Germany before them) wanted to capture Paris more or less intact as a prize and message.

Other targets that got a similar treatment and captured instead of flattened or avoided include Antwerp Belgium (closer to Germany deep water port), Cherbourg France (deep water port to help assure Overlord's success), and the city of Manila in the Philippines.

In modern times, any town can be captured and flattening one is kinda frowned upon anymore. (In the case of the US military they all are, or at least cleared of resistance.)

edited 19th Sep '10 7:28:53 PM by MajorTom


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