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Edited by Mrph1 on Oct 22nd 2024 at 8:06:39 PM

rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
Morgenthaler Since: Feb, 2016
#14452: Oct 4th 2016 at 8:21:28 AM

Permanent Red Link Club: There seems to be a word missing in the Westboro Baptist Church entry. Please change "almost never in any works outside of" to "almost never appearing in any works outside of".

edited 4th Oct '16 8:21:48 AM by Morgenthaler

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"
nombretomado (Season 1) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#14453: Oct 4th 2016 at 4:45:33 PM

  • 14451: Done except for Non Action Villain, since that dilutes it being a Big Bad trope (by referring to only a "villain").

DTH.

rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#14454: Oct 4th 2016 at 10:52:44 PM

Requesting that Evil Politician be redirected to Corrupt Politician.

Hugging a Vanillite will give you frostbite.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#14455: Oct 5th 2016 at 2:14:10 AM

At Ace Attorney, for Dahlia's entry., please get rid of "the prosecutor" before "Mia Fey".
At DC Animation, for the caption, please get rid of the quote marks at the very beginning.

edited 5th Oct '16 2:16:09 AM by ACW

Morgenthaler Since: Feb, 2016
#14456: Oct 5th 2016 at 2:18:30 AM

Please recreate and cutlist the following ghost wicks:

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"
nombretomado (Season 1) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#14458: Oct 6th 2016 at 2:01:01 AM

From here:

Thanks [tup]

edited 6th Oct '16 2:01:26 AM by ACW

emperors Messenger from another dimension. Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Messenger from another dimension.
#14459: Oct 6th 2016 at 6:07:05 AM

[up] No I think Fagin goes under Western Animation. He is from a Western European cartoon which counts as western.

edited 6th Oct '16 6:07:19 AM by emperors

Welcome to the world of greatest media!
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#14460: Oct 6th 2016 at 6:13:55 AM

[up] I wasn't sure myself. It's a Danish work, FWIW.

emperors Messenger from another dimension. Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Messenger from another dimension.
#14461: Oct 6th 2016 at 6:18:10 AM

[up] Denmark is Western Europe.

Welcome to the world of greatest media!
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Kadorhal my god threemen, what are you doing from the Osean Federation Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
my god threemen, what are you doing
#14463: Oct 6th 2016 at 12:23:00 PM

From America Saves the Day, the X-COM examples at the bottom of the Video Games folder need a bit of work. Grammar in particular, with the third and fourth points missing a few "the"s. Also, the Japanese predecessor to the in-game organization was called the Kiryu-Kai, apparently.

lakingsif Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
#14464: Oct 6th 2016 at 4:17:56 PM

~Marq FJA woah, slow down there, buddy. The Cheerleader is a character archetype, and not just a trope saying that cheerleaders are usually bitches. That's mentioned on it, amongst other things like: cheerleaders are usually dumb, cheerleaders are usually blonde, etc, etc.

There is more to a character archetype than the prevalent trope the character falls under. Requesting that those redirects be deleted.

Also, Pom-Pom Girl is a separate trope about the recurring character as device and social circle filler of a very peppy character. Not the same thing, as I'm pretty sure it actually says that they do not need to be a cheerleader (or have pom poms), plus there's the fact that they are basically the opposite kind of person to an Alpha Bitch anyway. I'll say the same thing in TRS if you think about trying to fix something not broken.

I'm going to look back through some of your more questionable redirect requests to see if there's anymore I'll choose to challenge (I've disagreed with several but stayed quiet).

edited 6th Oct '16 4:18:24 PM by lakingsif

OH MY GOD; MY PARENTS ARE GARDENIIIIINNNNGGGGG!!!!!
Morgenthaler Since: Feb, 2016
#14465: Oct 6th 2016 at 4:26:26 PM

Film A To E: In the All Superheroes Must Die entry, there is one instance of "Rickshaw" mispelled as "Rickhsaw". Please correct this.

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#14466: Oct 6th 2016 at 4:31:10 PM

The Cheerleader is a character archetype, and not just a trope saying that cheerleaders are usually bitches. That's mentioned on it, amongst other things like: cheerleaders are usually dumb, cheerleaders are usually blonde, etc, etc.
This did nothing but reaffirm my conviction that it needs TRS'ing, because it now sounds ot me that the article is trying to mash together several tropes into one unnecessarily. Even if we put that aside, the general tone of the description and its chosen image seems inexplicably slanted towards the "Cheerleaders are evil bitches" variant.

Also, Pom Pom Girl is a separate trope about the recurring character as device and social circle filler of a very peppy character. Not the same thing, as I'm pretty sure it actually says that they do not need to be a cheerleader (or have pom poms)
You are misinterpreting the "Though she does not always carry pom poms" line as meaning "A character might never be shown carrying pom poms (or any similar cheering prop) and still qualify as an example of this character type", when it seems obvious it's meant to be "An example of this character type doesn't have to carry pom poms (or any similar cheering prop) 24/7, i.e. they're not disqualified if they only carry it while 'on the job'".

And if you're taking the line "the chants they tend to inspire are recognizable enough that they often appear outside of the intended cheerleading role" as meaning that the Pom-Pom Girl doesn't have to ever be depicted in a cheerleading role within the work she appears in, then I sincerely question how you came to that conclusion.

plus there's the fact that they are basically the opposite kind of person to an Alpha Bitch anyway.
... And that's relevant, how?

I'll say the same thing in TRS if you think about trying to fix something not broken.
I think I've done a fairly good job of debunking your assertation that there's absolutely nothing broken about The Cheerleader (and, to a lesser extent, Pom-Pom Girl). Thus, what we're left with is the high probability that the trope is broken, and it's the job of TRS to turn that probability into certainty of either brokenness or lack thereof.

I'm going to look back through some of your more questionable redirect requests to see if there's anymore I'll choose to challenge
As you wish, though I doubt you'd find much success. I don't ask for redirects on a whim, and some of them did get rejected in the past... and some of the rejections were later overturned for one reason or another.

I've disagreed with several but stayed quiet
Please never do so from now on. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_... Silence isn't always a good thing.]]

edited 6th Oct '16 4:34:39 PM by MarqFJA

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
nombretomado (Season 1) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#14467: Oct 6th 2016 at 6:14:58 PM

Take The Cheerleader discussion elsewhere, guys. Come back here when a consensus is reached elsewhere.

edited 6th Oct '16 6:15:07 PM by nombretomado

nombretomado (Season 1) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#14469: Oct 7th 2016 at 5:34:37 AM

[up] Thanks, but at Literature M To Z, please move the Ogress after Serpine.

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#14470: Oct 7th 2016 at 2:17:29 PM

Could Trivia be locked?

As-is, any troper can unilaterally effectively decide a trope is Trivia by adding to the page. Or maybe they can legitimately add a trope to it, but since it's too easy, it might look like someone is making a unilateral decision.

This is inspired by the fact that I cannot figure out if someone unilaterally turned Absentee Actor into trivia. Regardless of whether it should be Trivia or not, it seems like a bad idea to just let anyone be able to do that.

Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#14471: Oct 7th 2016 at 10:35:25 PM

For the Monster subpages, this entry needs to be moved from Western Animation to the Animation section of Other Media:

War of the Birds: Fagin, the Big Bad of this 1990 Danish animated film, is a murderous vulture responsible for terrorizing the residents of a forest he frequents. Fagin opens the film attacking and killing, for kicks, the parents of Oliver as they defend their nest, swiftly obliterating their nest in the process and destroying all but one of their seven eggs. Fagin's periodic assaults on the forest have claimed numerous lives, among them the parents of Oliver's eventual companion Olivia and the mother of the mice Frederick and Inglof. Fagin spends the rest of the movie attempting to brutally kill Oliver and his companions first for fun and later out of spite, coldly dismissing Oliver's anger at him over the murder of his parents and wrathfully killing Oliver's adoptive mother Betty after she rips out his eye. In addition to his thrill-killing, Fagin keeps a nameless dove as his personal slave, physically abusing her and traumatizing her into a stuttering wreck of a bird.

edited 7th Oct '16 10:35:46 PM by Scraggle

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#14472: Oct 8th 2016 at 1:58:15 AM

DTH, went for a suspension on the Trivia business rather than a lock.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
lakingsif Since: Dec, 2012 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
#14474: Oct 8th 2016 at 4:44:20 AM

[up] see, I'm on the fence with that one. Yes, "fight fire with fire" is in the description and there are examples matching it, but maybe that is misuse, as the solid example of the trope is starting a war to prevent wars in the future. This is a very different ideology of Fighting Fire With Fire, the example of that being that you respond to war being waged by starting another war. Of course, I'm sitting on the fence because I think this points out that the trope is a little confused, maybe could be officially broadened or needs a sister trope in FFWF.

OH MY GOD; MY PARENTS ARE GARDENIIIIINNNNGGGGG!!!!!
Catalyst375 Returning Browser Since: Jan, 2015
Returning Browser
#14475: Oct 8th 2016 at 11:16:46 AM

I would like to request that a lock be placed on the Bleach Die For Our Ship page until further noticed. I observed that an alarming number of 'examples' were placed under the most recent post, which seem to serve no other purpose than to demean or vilify a certain part of a fandom, rather than being impartial or unbiased in regards to fan reactions. I took the liberty of removing those examples, and cited my reasons in full in the history, but I suspect that whoever put them there in the first place would likely try to put them back up.

Given the series has ended, there is really no need to keep the thread open for editing, especially if it is only going to be used as a means to post 'examples' in a manner that attacks a certain group of a fandom, which may as a result lead to editing wars.

I know from personal experience how that can turn out, and would rather like to see that avoided.

As I was worried about last month, a poster named followerofcake has re-edited the biased examples I mentioned back into the thread. Here is a link to the history for the proof.

I suspect that, if I try to remove the examples again, the same poster or another will just put those examples back in.

As a result, I would like to request that Die For Our Ship/Bleach page be locked until further notice, on the grounds that keeping it open would just lead to editing wars, and people using it to attack another section of the fandom.

I will remove the demeaning and vilifying examples again, and see if the edit will stick this time. If you choose to not lock the thread for the time being, I will let you know if someone goes out of their way to edit back in (again) the "examples".


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