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#6851: Oct 25th 2013 at 10:38:16 PM

new writeups time

Replace Doctor Doom at Monster.Disney with the writeup at 17451

For Monster.Anime And Manga

Put Occasional Exister writeup of Mukuro from 18199 up

From a couple posts above it at 18197 put Morgenthaler's writeup of General Mandible on Monster.Western Animation to replace the one on there now and Raoul and Chase on Monster.Film

And more for Monster.Anime And Manga

new writeup for The Major from Hellsing

  • The leader of the 'Last Battalion'' of the Nazi remnant Millennium, The Major is an unassuming, jovial fat little man who has one defining characteristic: his love of war. The Major, after surviving World War 2, consolidated his forces in South America where they awaited their chance for one final, glorious combat. Acting behind the scenes, the Major had multiple humans turned into vampires, having them slaughter innocent people to slowly reveal himself to Hellsing. Finally taking center stage, the Major launched an attack on London, obliterating everything he saw and having his men slaughter every living thing in sight, including babies. The Major confesses there is no end goal for it: the means of combat and war are their own end. The Major shows no hesitation in killing one of his own officers when he objects to the Major carelessly sacrificing their soldiers, and his ultimate goal is to die at the conclusion of his war, after having created one last great display of carnage he so loves.

Replacing the Rainbow examples with...

  • From Rainbow: Nisha Rokubou no Shichinin we have two examples
    • First is the prison doctor Sasaki. Sasaki hides behind the veneer of a kindly old man but in reality, he is a cruel sadist who regularly rapes attractive male prisoners. Sasaki coerces them by holding privileges and favors over their heads. One prisoner is eventually Driven to Suicide thanks to Sasaki's molestations. Sasaki schemes with the warden Ishihara to murder anyone who knows the truth and after leaving behind the prison, continues molesting young boys when conducting a political campaign.
    • Sasaki's partner in crime at the prison, Warden Ishihara. Ishihara is a corrupt prison warden who delights in exercising sadistic authority over the prisoners by regularly conducting beatings or giving out punishments that are massively out of proportion to minor offenses. Ishihara gives prisoners to Sasaki to rape and proposes murdering those who discover the truth to cover his tracks. When theseries initial hero, Sakuragi, finally defeats Ishihara, he gives the warden the evidence of Sasaki's crimes to make Ishihara leave his friends alone. Ishihara's response is to stab him.

Also, for Ryoko Naruse's entry, please add this bit: "Ryoko's ultimate plan was to achieve the destruction of the entire world, using the destruction to create a new one that only she would rule."

edited 4th Nov '13 9:09:28 PM by Lightysnake

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#6852: Oct 25th 2013 at 11:33:21 PM

The image on Monster.Disney is sort of weird/oversized, overlapping the Examples heading.

The Fundamentalist needs a bit of cleanup, mostly namespaces:

Anime/Manga:

  • In the English Gag Dub of Ghost Stories, Momoko is a fundamentalist Christian. At times she objects to the magic used to defeat the ghosts, but most of the time she mentally translates "ghost" to "demon" so it's okay, and she insists that her own channeling powers were a gift from God as a result of her conversion.
  • Alexander Anderson from Hellsing is a good example. He is a Vatican priest who works for the Iscariot branch; his job is to kill vampires and other unholy creatures. Alexander compulsively quotes lines from the Holy Bible when he speaks, especially when facing whom he believes to be a heretic or monster that must be slain. He also has an extreme dislike for Protestants, going so far as to call Sir Integra "Babylon" in reference to "The Whore of Babylon". As bad as he can be, he has honor which transcends it. Father Enrico Maxwell, however, is much worse.
  • Fullmetal Alchemist:
    • Scar tries to pass off his murderous revenge against state alchemists as this, saying that their alchemy is an affront to his god Ishval. However, Ed later points out that Scar is deceiving everyone with this excuse, including himself; his real motive is nothing more than simple revenge for the Ishvallan War of Extermination. After this, Scar starts his transformation into The Atoner, fully admitting the crimes he's committed without using his religion as an excuse. It helps that his old master (presumably the guy who trained him as a priest) survived the genocide and when Scar runs into him, he takes the Ishvala Is Love approach—or more like, the Revenge Helps Nothing approach. This is one of the few instances of religion having a positive impact in the setting.
    • The latest movie involves religious fundamentalism as part of the framing device, which is probably the best thing you can say about it besides 'some of the art was pretty.' It's...kind of incoherent and has continuity problems up the wazoo.
  • Bishop Mozgus from the "Tower of Conviction" arc in Berserk takes this trope to the most nightmarishly horrifying logical conclusion imaginable, having tortured to death uncounted thousands of "heretics" (which, to him, includes such miscreants as peasants desperately begging for food for their starving children when that food was supposed to go to churchmen and church-affiliated knights, who most definitely are not starving).

Comic Book:

  • Marvel Comics:
    • Pretty much everyone in the Marvel Universe (and that's a lot of people) who believes superheroes, especially mutants and the X-Men, are evil no matter how many times they have saved the planet.
    • J. Jonah Jameson cannot admit that Spiderman is anything other than a menace even though he has saved Jameson's life dozens of times. Various reasons have been given over the years as to why this belief is stuck in an otherwise good journalist's head, who caught flak several times in-universe for being in favor of mutant rights, among other things: The anti-Spiderman rant sells papers; if Spiderman were to be captured, tried, and imprisoned, the Daily Bugle would fold as soon as the judge sentenced him; Jameson is a muckraker; he's only doing it to boost circulation.

Film:

  • Nute Gunray from the prequel trilogy era of Star Wars, though he is a political (and economical) example, rather than religious.
  • Easy A:
    • Marianne Bryant, who is the head of a group of religious conservative students. Before setting her sights on Olive, who she (and everyone else) believes has had premarital sex, Marianne petitioned to have the school football team to be renamed to Woodchucks from Devils. Apparently, she picked up the trait from her father, a priest.
    • Marianne's father is adamant about his own beliefs and doesn't recognize others, as evidenced by his constant corrections of Olive's hypothetical question about Hell. As far as he's concerned, Hell is a real place, and there's nothing hypothetical about it. He's a hypocrite as well; he's watching Olive's webcast, expecting her to have live sex on camera, and is disappointed when she doesn't.
    • Marianne's hardliner boyfriend Micah ends up with an STD he picked up from the guidance counselor, a married woman.

Literature:

  • The Christians from the Left Behind series. They engage in selfishness, pettiness, and condescension to anyone who doesn't agree with them. That sort of behavior is expected from the bad guys, the followers of The Antichrist, but these are supposed to be the heroes and the audience is supposed to be on their side.
  • Patriarch Ortzel from The Elenium starts out like this (albeit a moderately sympathetic version, because he may be a stern unyielding fanatic who wants the Church Knights to give up magic, but at least he isn't Annias, Primate of Cimmura). By the sequel series, The Tamuli, Eddings provides a bit of Character Development.
  • Less sympathetic is the Bear-Cult in the Belgariad universe, a group of raging, racist fanatics with a "conversion by sword" mentality and a misogynist streak a mile wide.
  • Discworld:
    • Terry Pratchett parodies the concept of fundamentalism with the Omnians, who cling to their monotheistic beliefs despite being demonstrably wrong. The majority of them are depicted as basically nice people, however, just irritatingly overzealous at times.
    • Small Gods is the story of how they got past the old fire and brimstone style of fundamentalism. An interesting twist is that virtually none of the people shown in Small Gods actually believe in the Great God Om, rather they believe that they don't want to be tortured by the Quisition for expressing their unbelief.
    • Vorbis the Exquisitor is perhaps the ultimate fundamentalist. He has no trouble admitting to himself (and a few others) that it is irrelevant if something is empirically found to contradict the teachings of their holy book, because real truth is found within. In other words, even if he's not factually right, he's still right, and right to extinguish those who disagree. And he's not just pretending to believe he is, either, but really believes he's following his god's will. Supernatural beings see his mind as a steel ball; nothing can get in or out. Of course, when his actual god appears in an admittedly unlikely physical form in front of him, he can't hear him at all, as any believer could. In the end, after his death, he finds himself in the desert where several of his victims have also found themselves. They actually found it to be a hopeful new start. He can't cross the desert because the desert is what you believe, and he finds it horrifyingly empty.
    • "Fundamentalist" atheists, of course, are equally deluded... seeing as the gods have tendency to come and throw lightning bolts at you if you refuse to believe in them. The golem constable in the Watch, Dorfl, being ceramic and thus fireproof has proven to be something of a challenge in this regard.
  • Stephen King:
  • In one of the short stories Philip José Farmer wrote in the Riverworld series, Jesus Christ and Tom Mix run across a territory controlled by an Inquisitor. The ultra-fundamentalist Inquisitor ends up burning Jesus Christ as an anti-Christian heretic.
  • Something similar happens in "The Grand Inquisitor," a story within a story in Dostoievsky's The Brothers Karamazov. The eponymous figure, representing a Corrupt Church, effectively tells Jesus Christ to His face that His teachings are no longer relevant to either the world in general or the Church in particular. Christ isn't condemned to death, but He doesn't seem to have much effect on the Inquisitor either.
  • Good Omens: Sergeant Shadwell hates all Southerners, and, "by inference, [is] standing at the North Pole." Thinks Aziraphale is a Russian spy and Crowley, because he wears sunglasses, must be a member of the mafia. Also believes his landlords, the Rajits, practice voodoo, and frequently condemns his neighbor across the hall, who performs seances and entertains gentleman callers as a "Painted Jezebel" or "Whore of Babylon." He also hates witches. And Go- Sa- Somebody help you if he suspects you don't have the correct number of nipples.
  • Crusade, the second of David Weber's Starfire books, featured religious zealots who worshipped the Terran Empire as gods, and denounced the Khanate of Orion as devils. Within their society, religious doubt was absolutely not tolerated.
  • In Death: The murderer in Vengeance In Death is definitely this. Eve even refers to him as a Bible-thumper close to the end of the book.
  • Outbound Flight: Jorus C'baoth is a Jedi version of this. Very few of his fellow Jedi get along with him as a result, and the only one who can really knock sense into him is Yoda.
  • The novel Towing Jehovah revolves around the discovery of god's body, and a group of atheist fundamentalist extremists attempting to destroy the body to get rid of any evidence of his existence.

Live Action TV:

  • The Big Bang Theory:
    • Sheldon Cooper applies this attitude to everything, right down to people's favorite flavor of pudding: Raj is "axiomatically wrong" to prefer tapioca, because the best pudding is chocolate. Period. This attitude makes him a far, far worse scientist than he thinks, as he refuses to even consider any criticism of his methods or results.
    • Sheldon's mother, by contrast, is a classic Christian fundamentalist at the opposite end of the spectrum. However, as opposed to most Christian versions of this trope, his mother is hardly a ranting lunatic and is Actually Pretty Funny.
—>Sheldon Cooper: I'm going to stay here in Texas, teaching evolution to creationists. —>Mary: Watch your language, Sheldon. You know everyone is entitled to their opinion. —>Sheldon Cooper: Evolution is not an opinion, it's a fact. —>Mary: And that is your opinion.
  • Agent Nelson Van Alden from "Boardwalk Empire" is this to a terrifying degree. Towards the end of the first season, he attempts to convert a subordinate, who is Jewish (and also possibly get a confession of murder out of him; it's not quite clear) by 'baptizing' him repeatedly in a river, and ends up drowning the guy. Word of God says this was unintentional, but he sure doesn't seem too sorry. He also cheats on his wife, which is not very Christian, although he does it while wearing a "What Have I Done" expression.
  • Shirley in Community is a Christian fundamentalist who is shown early in the series forcing her beliefs on other members of her study group. Most attempts are rather mild, like mandating wearing "What Would Baby Jesus Do?" bracelets. There are other instances hinted at that aren't so benign, like inviting Annie to a pool party which turned out to be an involuntary baptism. Later episodes have toned this down considerably, and ultimately Shirley is shown to have many good qualities that outweigh the bad.

Tabletop Games:

  • Warhammer 40,000:
  • Sister Miriam Godwinson from Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri is a fundamentalist when it comes to religion and saving souls, and a subversion when it comes to technology. She appears to be an anti-tech fanatic, but she's actually calling for restraint, reason and ethics in a scientific field dominated by the amoral University. This is somewhat flanderized in the novel Twilight of the Mind by Michael Ely: Miriam thinks that all technology is evil, unless, of course, the "righteous" use the same technology to enact God's will.

  • Japanese RPGs in general tend to do this a lot, some notable examples being:
  • Silent Hill:
    • Claudia Wolf in Silent Hill 3, to the point where she murders Vincent, a fellow cult member, just for disagreeing with her.
    • Before that the series had Dahlia Gillespie, who was so wholly devoted to the cause that she turned her own daughter into an Apocalypse Maiden via a near-deadly ritual and left her trapped in an endless nightmare of physical and psychological pain for seven years afterwards, all for the sole purpose of strengthening said daughter's inner hate so she could birth God and whisk them all away to Paradise.
  • Halo: The Covenant is full of these, though some of its leadership has been portrayed as more opportunist than fundamentalist.
  • The Zealot races in Spore.
  • The Qunari of Dragon Age are fundamentalists by definition. Only those who dogmatically follow the Qun are actally called Qunari. If they deviate from the demands of the Qun then they are declared Tal-Vashoth instead. Interestingly, anyone who is not of the Qunari race (i.e., the Kossith) can still become Qunari by following the Qun. The Qunari don't discriminate based on race, only beliefs and magic. Anyone who doesn't follow the Qun is simply bas ("thing").
  • Star Craft:
  • Pokémon Black and White: Team Plasma are a non-religious example. They even regularly chant "we are right, everyone else is wrong!". Explored in that their actual goals are pretty noble (even the protagonists acknowledge this), but their arrogant denial of everyone else's views makes them come off as villainous anyway. (also Lampshaded). It ultimately turns out the Big Bad who made the organization doesn't believe in its goals at all and just wanted to Take Over the World.
  • SWAT 4: The Children of Taronne. Your SWAT team has to bring in this cult who have bombs that will blow up half the city, and the cultists have no regard whether their gunfire will set them off. There's insane writing everywhere, cultist material, children's rooms but no children. Even your teammates get freaked out at the religious babbling. Then you get to the basement. The cult had dug up the basement ''and buried their murdered children in graves,'' in preparation for the holocaust the cult believes in. Watch it here if you dare, a few Lets Plays of this level had actually caused Heroic BSoD.

Webcomics:

  • Charlotte from Penny and Aggie. Though she's changed since developing an interest in the only black - as well as Muslim - student at the school. As well as in the aftermath of having fallen afoul of the machinations of the one cast member who is truly, unrepentently, sociopathically evil.
  • Sinfest: Seymore and Lil Evil, for Christianity and Satanism, respectively. It's quite clear their respective deities can't stand their fundamentalist cheerleaders. Especially anvilicious in the case of the former, portrayed as a robed stick-figure with a fake wire halo. Frequently in his mania for collecting all things Jesus-related he often fails to notice that Jesus is standing right there. Like the other characters, he also has a feudal incarnation as a Buddhist Monk, generally retaining all his other characteristics. Surprisingly, this is occasionally subverted when Seymore does something genuinely kind and compassionate. Although anything vaguely kind Seymore has ever done has gone right out the window after he Took a Level in Jerkass in Bad Behavior.
  • Pretty much everyone who isn't an ally and/or lover of the main character in War Mage. The only ones who aren't are the ones that go the extra mile to Knight Templar.
  • Scandinavia and the World:
    • America, particularly when it comes to his opinions on homosexuality. He'd be more effective if a) his sister wasn't pro-gay rights (and a shipper), b) Sweden (the target of his ranting) actually knew what God was, and c) he didn't think gays were flamingos. (Then again, Sister America thinks they're penguins.)
    • The Faroe Islands also has shades of this. A pity he was just as turned on by Denmark/Netherlands as Sister Japan was.

Web Original:

  • Rachel Gettys of Survival of the Fittest v4 is your standard Christian fundamentalist along with showing Rich Bitch traits. She spends a good amount of time on the island hallucinating "visions from God" and trying to convert people. Disagree with her and she'll bash your head in.

Western Animation:

  • The Simpsons:
    • Ned Flanders due to Flanderization. Which is a shame, because he used to have sort of a cult (pun unintended) fanbase among religious viewers for representing everything potentially good about Christians (nice to a fault, accepts everyone, strong family values, etc.), even if it was taken to a humorous degree. In more recent (read: at least 15) seasons the writers have just used him as a strawman for Moral Guardians. sigh
    • Averted in the movie, where he's shown as a more fatherly figure and seems to fully revert to his season 1 kindness (and then some).
  • South Park:
    • The show inverts and parodies this trope and gives us the rare fundamentalist agnostic family, The Weatherheads.
    • Father Maxi is this in some episodes (most notably "Do The Handicapped Go To Hell?"). However, in others (such as "Red Hot Catholic Love"), he's more grounded and reasonable.
  • Judge Frollo from The Hunchback Of Notre Dame. Even being a classic case of Knight Templar, the things he does casts his "good intentions" as being sham and hollow.

edited 26th Oct '13 12:04:18 AM by Candi

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#6853: Oct 26th 2013 at 2:36:29 AM

Monster.Film needs an Evil Eye wick removed - as-is, I can't tell what trope it's supposed to be and Google isn't helping.

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#6854: Oct 26th 2013 at 7:47:36 AM

Also, on the Monster.Anime and Manga, could you also throw in somewhere that Kanamori thought he heard children coming into the old school building and considered murdering them the same way he did to Marie in order to avoid being caught? Thank you.

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#6855: Oct 26th 2013 at 8:52:31 AM

Doublepost, to keep related edit requests together. Some of these deal with locked policy pages and are all part of the Predefined Messages namespacing effort:

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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#6856: Oct 26th 2013 at 9:49:09 AM

6850 and 6853 are done, but that's all I've got time to do right now.

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#6857: Oct 26th 2013 at 3:48:55 PM

Discussed this on the Complete Monster thread and there was strong support for it's inclusion. Request this to be added to Live Action TV. Spoiler for ''Sons Of Anarchy, season six, episode seven.

* Alice Noon in Sons Of Anarchy. In her sole episode it's revealed that when Venus was ten and confused she was part of having Venus constantly drugged and raped, and from there it grew into a lucrative child porn ring. Alice later kidnaps Venus' son, drugs him, and is going to have him raped. When SAMCRO track him down to the studio they are sickened by portraits of the children that Alice had taken to be raped, the videos on the computers and a video camera aimed at a crib. When Alice arrives she threatens that Venus is a freak and Venus' son is going to kill himself over it, until Jax blows her brains all over the wall. Venus is left a wreck over the emotional torture, and even the Corrupt Cop says he would have killed Alice if Jax hadn't.

edited 27th Oct '13 2:38:20 AM by tsstevens

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#6858: Oct 26th 2013 at 3:50:33 PM

New writeups for the rest of the examples on Monster/Yugioh subpage.

  • Brron, Mad King of the Dark World is demented and sadistic, ruling the Spirit World as its vile dictator and being responsible for it's deplorable state and oppression of its denizens. His right-hand man, Zure, oversaw Brron's will, detaining anyone who defied him in internment camps while killing duelists who could be threats to him. The executions occurred at his fortress and involved releasing monsters at disarmed duelists while Brron himself and his minions watched the spectacle. After learning of Jaden's presence in his domain, Brron orchestrated a plot that involved turning Jaden evil by sacrificing all of his friends one by one with his set of "Wicked Doctrine" cards to create the "Super Fusion" card. After his defeat, Brron mocked Jaden by saying that he would never see his friends again before dying.

  • Divne/Sayer is the leader of a group of duelists training to control and harness their psychic abilities in order to turn them into soldiers of war against the rest of humanity. His earliest duelist, Toby Tredwell, was unable to withstand the procedure meant to test his abilities. Believing him to be weak and useless, Sayer ordered the intensity of the electric shocks to be amplified, which caused the young boy's death. He also does his best to keep his prized duelist Akiza secluded from anyone outside the Arcadia Movement to keep her full of hate and resentment at the world for his goals, as well as hide his own secret motives. To this end he gasses Luna, Leo, Yanagi and Bolt Tanner when they come to him for aid against the Dark Singers. Then he threatens Leo's life in a psychic duel to test if he has powers like his twin sister Luna. Later that day he has another Psychic duel with and murders Carly Carmine by sending her through a window with a direct attack, kick-starting her rebirth into a Dark Signer. He then returns from his Disney Death at the hands of Carly, posing as a security agent to attack Yusei and Mina. Sayer states that anybody who falls prey to him, will simply follow his orders and nothing more, as he takes full advantage of that individual's weakness, just like he did with Akiza.

  • Lotten/Lawton is a tyrant lording over a small western style town called Crash Town, who forces those he's defeated to join him or face slavery in the mines. Once he does get into an inconclusive match with Yusei, he sets up dynamite to kill Yusei, Kalin, West and Nico in the resulting cave-in. When it explodes, Yusei and Kalin fall off the mountain, while Nico and West are unconscious on the ground. Lawton takes them back to Barbara Town, renaming it Lawton Town after Barb and him double cross his brother Malcolm. Later, not satisfied with the number of workers in the mines, he and Barb began forcing their henchmen to Duel for their survival, which is stopped by Yusei and Kalin. Once he does start to lose his 2-on-1 handicap match against Yusei and Kalin, he and his sister, Barb attempt to throw the duel and run away, but not before he abandons Barb to her fate and set off explosives in the town.

  • Vector is an Emperor from the Barian World. He manipulated Dr. Faker and Vetrix to fulfill his own agenda of destroying the Astral World. After his first defeat at the hands of Yuma Tsukumo, Reginald Kastle and Kite Tenjo, he orchestrated a new scheme by taking on a human form on Earth and calling himself Ray Shadows, becoming friends with Yuma as a gambit to orchestrate the latter's fall. When that failed, Vector released the god of the Barian World, Don Thousand, and became his host.

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#6859: Oct 26th 2013 at 5:15:56 PM

A few for /Legend Of Korra.

In the Book 2: Spirits folder, add:

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#6860: Oct 26th 2013 at 6:00:46 PM

To whit: please add Alice from Sons of Anarchy under Jimmy O'Phelan's entry. Very Melon's Yu Gi Oh ones should replace the entries on the page they correspond to)

Monster.Film add this to the James Bond list:

  • Xenia Onatopp from GoldenEye has the dubious honor of being the most depraved Femme Fatale Bond has ever come across. Initially seen as a charming, elegant woman, Xenia reveals her true nature when in bed with her target, she kils him by crushing him between her thighs to suffocate him, getting clear sexual ecstasy from the murder. She steals his security clearance and murders several innocent sailors before eluding Bond. Later, when Xenia arrives in a Russian facility, she massacres all the techs with machine gun fire, getting very visibly aroused by the killings. Even her partner for the mission looks a bit stunned at it. Xenia has one of the largest bodycounts for a Dragon in the franchise, and unlike the majority of her male counterparts, Xenia is in it for money and thrills. She has no issue helping to use the Goldeneye satellite to plunge England into the dark ages as long as she gets rich from it. The fact that her job gives her the ability to express her sexualized love for killing is just another perk.

On Monster.Western Animation replace The Grundel from Ghostbusters' with The Overlord's writeup at 18326

On the same page, Camberf's writeup at 18336 should be added to Monster.Film Same page, Morgenthaler's writeups of Boris the Animal and Dr. Mason Wren from 18341 to the Film subpage as well.

Also add Morgenthaler's writeup of Judah from 18269 to Monster.Film under Top Dollar's entry

On Monster.Anime And Manga

replace the whole Kihara Gensei bit of Railgun with:

  • Kihara Gensei of To Aru Kagaku no Railgun is the patriarch of the Kihara family and a Mad Scientist responsible for nasty experiments on children, which resulted in many of them suffering permanent trauma, so he could create a powerful Level 6 Esper. Gensei has no compunction murdering people in his path in his mad obsession. The first 'sample' of his experiments was his own granddaughter: Gensei overloaded her mind to collect samples from her, and repeated this process on other children as well.

Replace the Gosick entry with

  • Marquis Albert du Blois of Gosick is the leader of Sauville's Ministry of the Occult. A man obsessed with the supernatural, he viewed his own children as nothing more than tools. After he met a woman whomatched the bloodline he was looking for, he kidnapped her and raped her to produce a child before stealing the daughter Victorique from her. Albert apparently manipulated the start of World War 2 and blackmailed the King into making of him the Prime Minister. He also managed to amass a legion of followers by making the people believe that his daughter was a monster.

Replace Kogan Iwamoto with

  • Kogan Iwamoto, the head of the Kogan-ryuu Dojo in Shigurui, particularly for his treatment towards women. So great is his cruelty in and out of combat that even the psychotics and pedophiles among his students are taken aback. Indeed, in a series full of depravity and madness, he consistently stands on his own mountain of heartlessness. Two key examples are his treatment of his daughter, Mie. He wanted a son instead and only sees her as a vessel for carrying the dojo's heir. Thus, he's willing to watch her get raped by one of his students to make sure she got pregnant, slashed through a student's face for suggesting she should have a husband that respects her, and scoffed at her mother committing suicide when Mie finds her body. When the man first picked as Kogan's successor, Irako, is cast out, she spends years starving herself, eventually reducing herself to a semi-sane bag of bones. He only shows concern once he realizes she won't be able to give birth in such a state. And he almost rapes her himself. As for his concubine Iku? She was seen as cursed by the locals, as every man she gets involved with dies in one way or another. Thus, she is grateful to Kogan because he was kind to her despite that...until one of his top students, Irako, tells her that Kogan killed her first husband just to show off a sword technique. She and Irako become lovers behind Kogan's back; when he finds out, he slices off both her nipples, mutilates one of her breasts by burning it, and then blackmails her into burning a hole through Irako's penis. Oh, and this is AFTER Irako is tricked into getting beaten to a pulp by his fellow students, but BEFORE Kogan personally blinds him by slicing his eyes open.

Replace Dr. Kenmi from Sacred Seven with

  • Dr. Kenmi from Sacred Seven was revealed as this in later episodes. To activate the mysterious Darkstone powers, Kenmi enacted torturous experiments on people and had murdered one heroine, Rinoa's, parents in order to force Rinoa's sister Aoi to activate her powers. Kenmi later attempts to rip out another heroine's heart after causing her financial ruin for his experiments, and is even revealed to have been behind the 'random' Darkstone attacks early in the series that had caused so much grief, all in an attempt to force his test subjects to go berserk.

Replace Gemma with

  • Gemma Himuro of Ninja Scroll is the leader of the Eight Devils of Kimon who stands out from his men in his callous disregard for all around him. In the past, Gemma betrayed his allies and framed a warrior named Jubei Kibigami for the betray, forcing Jubei to kill his friends in self defense. In the present, to cover for the Eight Devils' movements, Gemma has a well poisoned to wipe out an entire village. He organizes multiple massacres and even murders his employer, declaring he himself will be the true ruler of Japan in the end. Gemma also kills Jubei's beloved, Kagero, in front of him, solely to hurt Jubei. Gemma, in the end, cares for nobody. The deaths of both his lovers in the Eight Devils arouse no emotion in him, and he witnesses every ally he has die without even changing an expression. His only concern is the gold imported to Japan, all to feed his bottomless greed.

Finally, we need to cut the Monster.Sailor Moon page and add the only two remaining entries to the Monster.Anime And Manga page proper

  • As idealistic as Sailor Moon is, there are several villains in it who cross the ultimate lines
    • Wiseman of Sailor Moon R is the most vile of all the main villains through the long run. Wiseman corrupts the Black Moon Clan into villains and used them to turn the peaceful, utopian Earth of the future into a barren, desolate wasteland while using Mind Rape on a little girl to turn her into his Dragon. Worse still, this is Sailor Moon's future daughter and Wiseman happily sends her to murder her friends and her parents. Wiseman's own allies fare no better. Wiseman manipulates Esmeraude of the Black Moon Clan into turning into a monster, sending her to her death. When Saphir, the brother of the clan's leader Prince Dimande, attempts to warn his elder brother of Wiseman's treachery and his true plans Wiseman painfully executes him in front of Dimande. Wiseman later kills Dimande as well when he sacrifices himself for Moon in the anime. Revealing his true nature as Death Phantom, Wiseman intends to to destroy all that lives solely out of boredom and spite. Before he became Death Phantom, he was a depraved mass-murderer in the manga as well. Of all the villains in the series, Wiseman was easily among the most personal, and the most monstrous.
    • The manga version of Shuichi Tomoe was no slouch. He was supposedly a loving father once (or at least Hotaru thinks so), despite being a Mad Scientist even then. He completely snapped after the accident in his lab that crippled Hotaru (her manga self is a heavily scarred cyborg, thanks to it) and killed her mother, willingly joining Death Busters and implanting the egg of Mistress 9 into Hotaru's body without any sort of second thought. He also had a massive A God Am I complex and wished to create a new race of superbeings, starting with himself. He was toned down in the anime, where he was mostly a Brainwashed and Crazy father who made a Deal with the Devil to save Hotaru after the freak accident - not knowing that they'd be rendered insane in different ways. The manga version, however? Pure evil.

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"In distress", my ass.
#6861: Oct 27th 2013 at 7:24:40 AM

A somewhat shorter edit request. grin

Please add the following to No Real Life Examples, Please!:

* BadIsGoodAndGoodIsBad: Villain trope, prone to shoehorning and {{Natter}}.

* BombThrowingAnarchists: Villain trope.

* DirtyCommunists: Villain trope.

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#6862: Oct 27th 2013 at 1:30:27 PM

If this line could please be cut from the end of Ramon Rojo's entry on the Complete Monster subpage for film (he's in the Sergio Leone section):

"To demonstrate how cruel that is Ramon, he has the children of the kidnapped mother threatened to death if she is not given to him."

It doesn't tell us anything we don't know already and is badly written to boot.

Also, somebody made alterations to the entry for El Indio (also Sergio Leone) before the page was locked, turning a fairly well written entry into a hyperbolic mess (we don't need constant asides about how depraved he is). If the current entry could be replaced with this:

  • El Indio (also Gian Maria Valonte) from For A Few Dollars More is the classic Mexican Bandito, turned Up to Eleven. He obtains a secret from his cellmate, then murders his cellmate so that he can keep the information for himself. He forces a former member of his gang to listen to his wife and infant child being slaughtered, then forces him into a duel, which he rigs in his own favour. When he discovers that Colonel Mortimer and Monco are bounty hunters, he has them tortured, then sets them free, killing one of his own men and framing them for it; his plan is to have his gang and the bounty hunters kill each other, leaving all the loot for him. When Nino, the one gang member he'd planned to keep around is killed in front of him, El Indio displays absolutely no reaction, and he's ultimately revealed to have killed Mortimer's brother-in-law and raped his sister, driving her to suicide. An Axe-Crazy drug-addict who parasites off of those around him, El Indio shocked audiences at the time, and continues to do so now.

And lastly if the current entry for Colonel Reza (also Sergio Leone) could be replaced with this:

  • Colonel Günther "Gutierez" Reza (Antoine St. John) in A Fistful Of Dynamite is a silent villain who, throughout the movie, doesn't express a single emotion beyond self-satisfaction. He tortures Dr. Villega into identifying various members of a crowd as revolutionaries, then has them shot in front of him, smiling a little wider with each body that hits the ground. He's also the man responsible for the deaths of Juan's children and father, singlehandedly causes the film to shift from Black Comedy to serious drama, leads an army that seems intent on killing or imprisoning everyone they meet, and in the climax, guns down Mallory from behind. This, coupled with his Implacable Man status makes him utterly terrifying.

EDIT: More Sergio Leone business. Someone altered Frank's entry from what was approved in the thread, and did so for no apparent reason. Has someone who isn't a member of the clean-up been requesting changes here (I'm just not sure how the changes were made otherwise)? Anyway, if his entry could please be reverted to its original form, here:

  • Frank (Henry Fonda) from Once Upon A Time In The West is a former bandit turned enforcer for the railroad company. During the film's opening sequence, he and his men gun down the entire McBain family, with Frank shooting down the last survivor, a small boy, himself, before nailing a duster to the door so that local bandito chief Cheyenne will be blamed for the crime. When he reports back to his boss, Mr. Morton, Morton says that he only wanted the McBains scared. Frank's response? "People scare better when they're dying." When Morton tries to cut a deal with McBain's newly arrived widow (ex-Hooker with a Heart of Gold Jill), Frank sabotages the plan, takes Jill hostage, has his way with her, and forces her to sell her land at an auction, positioning his own men there to intimidate the bidders. The arrival of Harmonica, the film's protagonist, ruins this plan, and sets the stage for The Reveal of Frank's worst crime. When Harmonica was a boy, Frank made his older brother stand on his shoulders, and put a noose around the brother's neck. When Harmonica collapsed from exhaustion, his brother was hanged. To add an appropriately sadistic touch, Frank placed a harmonica between the younger brother's lips and instructed him to "play your ever lovin' brother a tune." No reason is ever given for his actions, and Frank has ultimately gone down in film history as one of the most vicious villains of his era.

Thanks. Once these edits have been made, those entries should be left alone.

edited 4th Nov '13 5:02:17 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Camberf Since: Jan, 2012
#6863: Oct 27th 2013 at 4:29:41 PM

Please add my Halloween III Season Of The Witch write-up to the Film page. It was decided earlier that the character counted, but we never wrote anything for him.

edited 27th Oct '13 4:30:07 PM by Camberf

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#6864: Oct 27th 2013 at 7:30:11 PM

On the Horny Devils page, please change the wick for {{Vampires}} to [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Vampires]]. Thank you.

edited 27th Oct '13 7:31:27 PM by JIKTV

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TVRulezAgain Since: Sep, 2011
#6865: Oct 27th 2013 at 9:34:17 PM

On Monster.Live Action TV, in the Lost entries, remove the Man in Black and his mother.

edited 28th Oct '13 9:03:45 AM by TVRulezAgain

isolato Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#6866: Oct 29th 2013 at 12:17:48 PM

On the HollywoodTactics page - I request removal of the MASH example (from the "Live-Action TV" section) - the first paragraph is not really an example of that trope (and no explanation why it should be is given), the second paragraph (as explained on the talk page by troper named beagel) is actually justified by the circumstances/makes sense in the context.

edited 29th Oct '13 1:42:13 PM by isolato

EarlOfSandvich Since: Jun, 2011
#6867: Oct 29th 2013 at 4:38:25 PM

Monster.Video Games: Can you add the [[index]] markups for the Ace Attorney and When They Cry subpages?

edited 29th Oct '13 4:38:30 PM by EarlOfSandvich

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StFan Since: Jan, 2001
#6868: Oct 29th 2013 at 5:36:03 PM

On Administrivia, the link Sandbox.Hottip Cleanup September 2013 Update can be removed, as it's now a red link.

On Locked Pages:

Also, I suggest the addition of Gangbangers to the list in It's Not Porn, It's an Index.

edited 30th Oct '13 9:09:18 AM by StFan

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"In distress", my ass.
#6869: Oct 29th 2013 at 5:48:07 PM

Please add this to No Real Life Examples, Please!:

* JerkWithAHeartOfJerk: Villain trope, also generally a bad idea to go throwing this around on real life people.

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Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#6872: Oct 30th 2013 at 10:51:01 AM

I don't have enough time to get to everything right now, so I'm going to catch the easy fixes and save the big writeup changes for later.

6852: The changes to The Fundamentalist have been made. What do you mean about the pic on Monster.Disney? It looks fine to me...

6854: As I have no idea who that is or what title he's from, I'm gonna have to say no. Is there a writeup somewhere in the CM thread for him?

6855: I think I got everything; LMK if there's anything I missed.

6857: Added with the note that it's a spoiler.

6858: Done...had to make some grammar fixes; please make sure future entries are shipshape before posting them.

6859: Done...I added the first one as a subentry since that trope was already listed in that folder.

6861, 6863, 6865 - 6869: Done.

6870: Monster.Visual Novels was redirected to the combined page; is it still showing up somewhere?

STILL TO DO: 6851, 6860, 6862, 6864

edited 30th Oct '13 10:52:00 AM by Willbyr

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#6873: Oct 30th 2013 at 5:40:54 PM

That's awesome, and sidebar, Sobell on Television Without Pity had done a full update and recap on that Sons episode. I don't ever recall them offering phone numbers based on the episode content before, even in shows where suicide and real life complete monsters were part of the story, so it says a lot that the example I suggested is getting that sort of attention.

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#6875: Oct 30th 2013 at 8:59:23 PM

Please add ComicBook/ to Main.The Books Of Magic on Horny Devils.

edited 30th Oct '13 8:59:30 PM by nombretomado


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