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This thread is for requesting edits or unlocks to Locked Pages or for requesting locks. It can also be used for technical requests to moderators such as:

  • creating new pages in the Main/ and other restricted namespaces without going through Trope Launch Pad
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  1. Check Locked Pages and Permanent Red Link Club first. They can provide guidance on what are good and bad requests.
  2. Include working links in your request to the page(s) in question.
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  9. Inappropriate pages that keep being recreated, pages banned under The Content Policy and subpages that are disallowed (like Headscratchers pages for tropes) are valid reasons for requesting page locks.

NOTE: Edited with OP's permission.

Edited by Mrph1 on Oct 22nd 2024 at 8:06:39 PM

MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
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#32126: Jun 25th 2023 at 3:42:30 PM

That doesn't mean that sandboxes can't be used though. All that bullet means is that those items don't have to be strictly reviewed for approval by the thread Maybe there was some miscommunication. We said that image links and quotes don't have to be approved by the CM/MB threads, not that sandboxes can't be ever used. I personally don't have a problem with those edits not being in a sandbox if it's only minor changes but the purpose of the CM/MB sandboxes is to make it easier for moderation to swap them in. That's why they were proposed a few years back.

Also, speaking of sandboxes, I think it might be easier to do the NRLEP edits in sandboxes because they come in a big batches every week. The NRLEP thread is also working on adding reasons to the trope entries so we can do handle that at the same time.

Doing the edit requests soon.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 25th 2023 at 6:49:28 AM

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STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#32127: Jun 25th 2023 at 3:50:26 PM

But we agreed that we still needed to have them approved somewhere, so now we’re hearing that we can’t approve them on the threads yet we also can’t approve them here because they need to be sandboxed first. Basically, step one is someone having a quote, step two is supposed to be approval which no one seems to know how to get, the mods want step three to be sandboxing it (which requires the approval we don’t know how to get) and then step four takes it here. Do you see the confusion here?

MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
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#32128: Jun 25th 2023 at 3:54:10 PM

I don't really see the confusion when the same bullet being cited says that you were free to gauge opinions on the CM/MB threads; you just don't have to. Also, people have also been using the quote thread to get feedback. I don't see anything stopping someone from making a sandbox just to make edit requests they want if a mod requests it.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 25th 2023 at 7:24:49 AM

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Twiddler (On A Trope Odyssey)
#32129: Jun 25th 2023 at 4:25:08 PM

How's this for a guideline?

  1. have a quote/suggested edits
  2. if it is a simple change, go to 3. for extensive changes, go to 5
  3. (optional) get approval (CM/MB threads, quote thread)
  4. post edit request
  5. if it involves extensive additions/removals, get approval. (if it involves extensive minor changes such as formatting fixes, approval is not needed)
  6. sandbox it
  7. post edit request

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#32130: Jun 25th 2023 at 4:48:11 PM

[up][up] But the same bullet points out that nothing on the thread is actually binding, so based on that there’s no way to get approval there - we were previously rather explicitly told that we can’t get that approval there. Sandbox edits adding something like a quote require approval in other thread contexts because it’s not a “minor” edit (it’s analogous to adding an entry), but the problem is that people don’t know where to get that approval in the first place - the CM thread is specifically not the place and now we’re being told this isn’t the place either because you want Sandboxes, which we’re not supposed to majorly edit without approval. That’s the question we’re trying to answer and I don’t really know how else to explain it - if we can’t get the approval there and now we’re being told we can’t get it here without Sandboxes, then where are we supposed to get approval?

Edit: Twiddler’s thing above suggests the quote thread works for that - is that a fair statement?

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Jun 25th 2023 at 7:51:29 AM

MacronNotes (she/her) (Captain) Relationship Status: Less than three
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#32131: Jun 25th 2023 at 4:57:30 PM

I thought we already went over that quote thread can be used for that purpose? People started going after we told them that they can get input there when the old threads were locked.

I just don't understand the approval issue this as these are quotes and image link subpages I don't see why that would require strict approval. They are just suggestions for subpages are going to be held in the level of scrutiny as page images and page quotes are. People add their image links and quotes to other tropes on their own so I assumed it would be somewhat similar (besides the fact that edits are being reviewed on the locked pages thread by mods)

I think Twiddler's suggestion is fine.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 25th 2023 at 8:21:17 AM

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Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
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#32132: Jun 25th 2023 at 5:23:24 PM

Yes, and the idea that it didn't require tight approval is why I brought it here like I would for any other locked quotes page, which do not require sandboxes

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#32133: Jun 25th 2023 at 10:01:27 PM

The point about the sandboxes is that changes to the Quotes.Complete Monster page need to be done through a sandbox. That's a completely different question from whether they need to be approved in the CM thread or not. The section Purple Eyed Guma is citing speaks of where to (not) seek approval, it does not imply that the changes don't need to be sandboxed.

Edited by SeptimusHeap on Jun 25th 2023 at 7:02:13 PM

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Malady (X-Troper)
#32135: Jun 26th 2023 at 3:29:04 AM

Fanfic.MaternalInstinct to Fanfic.MaternalInstinctKimPossible - Since Fanfic.Maternal Instinct MLP exists.

YMMV might be better off cut, since there's the Love Revelation Epiphany, they seem to be the Official Couple, so they can't have Ho Yay?

Edited by Malady on Jun 26th 2023 at 3:30:51 AM

Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576
STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#32136: Jun 26th 2023 at 5:32:51 AM

[up][up][up] Okay, but… why? It’s one quote being added at a time and we’ve been doing it this way for months with no issues. I know for a fact people have in the past asked for changes to be done to single entries on locked pages, CM and MB included, without Sandboxes and it’s never been an issue. Why is it an issue now? I’m not trying to pull some kind of “gotcha”, I’m genuinely asking because this process has been fine until now

Mariofan99 Since: Jun, 2021 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#32137: Jun 26th 2023 at 7:10:10 AM

Since the Star Wars cleanup thread has been dead in the water for over a year can we unlock the following pages? As it is right now it’s impossible to add or remove entries

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WhatAnIdiot/StarWars

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/NeverLiveItDown/StarWars

AudioSpeaks2 Since: Apr, 2022
#32138: Jun 26th 2023 at 7:38:08 AM

I'm requesting two redirects for the trope Lead Singer Plays Lead Guitar:

I think it could make certain sentences flow better.

For example, "Bob is the Lead Singer And Lead Guitarist of Band X."

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#32139: Jun 26th 2023 at 11:05:27 AM

Mostly done to here - I've asked about the unlocks.

Regarding the Complete Monster pages, the sandboxing requirement isn't new, we applied it to all pages because they are so heavily structured and the edit requests so voluminous (the amount of changes to be done per edit) that it was cumbersome to do them by hand. That goes for the quotes page too. Someone got the idea that the quotes page was exempted but that was never the case.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#32140: Jun 26th 2023 at 11:08:44 AM

I highly doubt that it's just "someone" given that three different people have posted here with vaguely the same concern and the fact that we're talking about pre-thread closure history kinda misses the point of my post, but at this point the conversation has run its course here. The restart thread is currently dealing with its own pickle but once it's done we can talk about this there.

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Jun 26th 2023 at 2:17:59 PM

Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
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#32141: Jun 26th 2023 at 2:24:21 PM

Yeah, if we're doing sandboxes I'd just like to know for sure

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
GhidorahUltima Machine Gun Massacre from Californ-i-aaaay! Since: Apr, 2023 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Machine Gun Massacre
#32142: Jun 26th 2023 at 3:00:17 PM

So, for the NightmareFuel.RWBY page, under "Volume 9", please add the following:

A Cat Most Curious

The Herbalist blows smoke at Team RWBY, made from leaves from the Tree. It immediately fills the screen and the CGI looks... off compared to the rest of the animation. They are then confronted with doppelgangers of their past selves, who confront them about their failures. Everyone resists the hallucinations' taunts... except Ruby. She is left kneeling before her past self, who verbally tears Ruby apart with her standard perk and enthusiasm. Past-Ruby points out that everyone depends on Ruby for everything and she is now forced to battle an invincible foe that took Summer, and Ruby barely raises any objection. When Past-Ruby offers her the chance to become something else, Ruby almost accepts the vague deal until the Cat intervenes. Ruby's perky optimism was once portrayed as endearing and positive, but seeing it alongside the despondent person she's now become instead portrays it in a sinister, subversive and threatening light, making it clear that the deal she's offering is nothing good.

Edited by SeptimusHeap on Jun 28th 2023 at 7:30:33 PM

Tiiiick tock... goes the clock... and all the years....
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#32143: Jun 26th 2023 at 4:22:10 PM

On The Bible, there's a wick for Values Dissonance on one of the entries for Madonna-Whore Complex that needs to be cut, since the former is YMMV.

Lymantria Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph from Toronto Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
PurpleEyedGuma Since: Apr, 2020
Reymma RJ Savoy from Edinburgh Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
RJ Savoy
#32146: Jun 27th 2023 at 5:05:10 PM

[up] Could also add Fat Shaming.

The reviews at https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/reviews.php?target_group=MagicTheGathering&target_title=ZendikarInTheTeethOfAkoum should be moved to Literature.Zendikar In The Teeth Of Akoum

Stories don't tell us monsters exist; we knew that already. They show us that monsters can be trademarked and milked for years.
BlackFaithStar [Hiatus til March] from 🇲🇾 (UTC plus 8) (Less Newbie) Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#32148: Jun 28th 2023 at 10:32:55 AM

Done to here.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#32149: Jun 28th 2023 at 11:55:49 AM

Wrong thread. Sorry.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Jun 28th 2023 at 2:10:31 AM

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#32150: Jun 28th 2023 at 12:47:13 PM

On The Qur'an, there's a wick to Funny Moments on the entry for Sesquipedalian Loquaciousness that needs to be removed.

So, instead of:

  • Sesquipedalian Loquaciousness: The Qur'an is written in a version of Arabic that was archaic even in Muhammad's time. A Funny Moment happened when one of his proponents bashed him for using words that were hard to understand, just to have another proponent appeared and bashed him incorporating those very same words.

Please change it to:

  • Sesquipedalian Loquaciousness: The Qur'an was written in a version of Arabic that was archaic even in Muhammad's time. One of his proponents bashed him for using words that were hard to understand, just to have another proponent appear and bash him incorporating those very same words.


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