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romanmyth Back in da New Yawk Groove from UTC: -05:00 Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: How YOU doin'?
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#11726: Mar 1st 2011 at 9:47:52 PM

Oh. Seriously? I figured they were punk or Heavy metal or some jazz like that (pardon the pun).

edited 1st Mar '11 9:48:05 PM by romanmyth

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Satinel -Grin- from Eden. Since: Jul, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
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#11727: Mar 1st 2011 at 10:32:09 PM

Doesn't indie mean Independent?

edited 1st Mar '11 10:32:17 PM by Satinel

romanmyth Back in da New Yawk Groove from UTC: -05:00 Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: How YOU doin'?
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#11728: Mar 1st 2011 at 10:34:32 PM

I think the correct term was independent or individual, yeah. Which still rather bugs me, since it seems like a catch-all category... and therefor driving it's individuality away.

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Hydrall Since: Jun, 2009
#11729: Mar 2nd 2011 at 2:21:59 AM

Same with 'indie games' being a genre. I'm pretty sure by nature they all have next to nothing in common... Indie films actually seem to still be indie, though.

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#11730: Mar 2nd 2011 at 8:37:47 AM

All this talk of indie has me wondering something about genres in general:

What the hell is Inception's Genre?

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Fusionman Since: Nov, 2009
#11731: Mar 2nd 2011 at 8:39:18 AM

@Re-Dead Science Fiction and Noir? Like Blade Runner? Fun question to ask film buffs dude.

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#11732: Mar 2nd 2011 at 8:42:14 AM

I'm not sure if it counts as Sci-Fi if the only change from modern day is the Dream-Sharing machine.

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Fusionman Since: Nov, 2009
#11733: Mar 2nd 2011 at 8:44:11 AM

Sci-Fi in itself is a hard genre to define sometimes. Some would count Inception as Sci-Fi others would not. I say it's a Sci-Fi, Noir, detective piece.

The Other Wiki says it's a Sci-Fi Action film.

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#11734: Mar 2nd 2011 at 8:47:02 AM

Personally, I consider it to be a Heist action Film, like Ocean's Eleven.

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Absynthe_ Lady of Ravenwood from Imladris Since: Nov, 2009
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#11735: Mar 2nd 2011 at 11:43:56 AM

Hmm... An excellent question.

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Wryte Since: Jul, 2010
#11736: Mar 2nd 2011 at 1:20:20 PM

Sci-fi doesn't require a futuristic setting. In fact, a lot of what gets called sci-fi just because it happens In Space or the distant future is closer to fantasy. Strictly speaking, science fiction is fiction with science playing a major role, be it mechanical science, biological science, or psychological science. Jurassic Park, for example, is science fiction because a major aspect of the story is exploring the possibilities and consequences of cloning technology. Star Wars, on the other hand, is closer to being a fantasy story In Space.

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#11737: Mar 2nd 2011 at 1:31:06 PM

You raise an interesting point, Wryte.

But I'm not sure if science factors that heavily into the plot of Inception.

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romanmyth Back in da New Yawk Groove from UTC: -05:00 Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: How YOU doin'?
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#11738: Mar 2nd 2011 at 1:31:49 PM

Ironically, most science fiction movies end up being sci-fi. Makes a LOTR and Star Wars crossover seem more and more plausible...

[up]I think somewhere on Tv Tropes there is a page for how you explain something, and that *may* go into it. It's specific example is "How does time travel work?" And rank 1 is "Applied pleuthonium" while rank 4 is a really, REALLY long description into physics and mathematics, whereas a 5 is "it doesn't"

edited 2nd Mar '11 1:33:37 PM by romanmyth

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Fauxlosophe Since: Aug, 2010
#11739: Mar 2nd 2011 at 1:33:00 PM

So Science fiction is limited to work exploring the implications of possible [or possible implementations of current] technology?

edited 2nd Mar '11 1:38:08 PM by Fauxlosophe

Hydrall Since: Jun, 2009
#11740: Mar 2nd 2011 at 1:35:09 PM

Star wars is a Space Opera. That's a genre of sorts, right?

And Inception is definitely a Heist/Action/Thriller. It may have a fantastical pretense, but that doesn't make it Scifi- if anything, it's fantasy, but even then it seems quite firmly grounded in reality.

If they'd turned up the Mind Screw elements, then we'd have a full on Psychological/Fantasy/Heist/Action/Thriller.

Wryte Since: Jul, 2010
#11741: Mar 2nd 2011 at 1:35:38 PM

Technology, psychology, social sciences, etc, though technology is the most common in mainstream sci-fi. I haven't seen Inception yet, but if it's about dream science, then yeah, it could count as sci-fi.

Fauxlosophe Since: Aug, 2010
#11742: Mar 2nd 2011 at 1:38:18 PM

Friend rose the counter point of Lord in the Rings being a commentary on society and thus qualifying for it about as much as a Brave New World. Which, unless we were to exclusively limit it to exploring technology [rather than cultural shifts] should qualify. And if we are to limit it to technology exclusively [rather than hypothetical physics, such as Magic], then wouldn't a better term be technological fiction?

I think it is more an enabler, sort of a magic prototype that lets them delve into minds rather than an exploration of a society where in dreams could be explored/invaded/be more deeply understood.

edited 2nd Mar '11 1:39:50 PM by Fauxlosophe

romanmyth Back in da New Yawk Groove from UTC: -05:00 Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: How YOU doin'?
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#11743: Mar 2nd 2011 at 1:42:49 PM

...I'm totally gonna bring up porno's, and say that they helped me pass my anatomy class. tongue

It's complete bullshit, but for argumentatives sake.

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#11744: Mar 2nd 2011 at 1:44:16 PM

But I'm not sure if science factors that heavily into the plot of Inception.

Pretend-science, at the very least.

Wryte Since: Jul, 2010
#11745: Mar 2nd 2011 at 1:54:09 PM

^^^ I wouldn't count LOTR as science fiction simply because there's no focus on those aspects. To qualify as sci-fi, there has to actually be a focus on the scientific aspects, you can't just point at a guy using a computer in your book and say "science!" It has to actually explore the subject in at least some depth.

Fauxlosophe Since: Aug, 2010
#11746: Mar 2nd 2011 at 2:20:41 PM

So, would Post Modern Magick count as Scifi if sufficently defined and analysed?

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#11747: Mar 2nd 2011 at 2:34:33 PM

What's the minimum Rank for an Ace?

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#11749: Mar 2nd 2011 at 3:25:49 PM

So Feds want to dominate again? CENTAURI ASSEMBLE! Without me but still ASSEMBLE!

romanmyth Back in da New Yawk Groove from UTC: -05:00 Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: How YOU doin'?
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#11750: Mar 2nd 2011 at 4:00:22 PM

+ 1 to federation post count.

The centauri will be assimiliated overthrown.

edited 2nd Mar '11 4:00:38 PM by romanmyth

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