It's ALL text: Even Evil Has Standards

Its still mostly just text. Theres no real evil standard(so his standard is... music?)

You can't really show the trope on a picture alone. And dialog is not just text when it comes to trope images. So that's not a real point against it.

^^I disagree. Regardless of what the character's exact standard is, he's still professing an evil desire to torture his brother but decries that playing Celine Dion music takes a step too far; that's all that's important to see.

I also don't see much of a problem with the amount of text. By itself, yeah, it looks like a lot, but it has enough visual imagery to suitably compliment it.

"But if you're not familiar with the characters, it loses the meaning of the picture anyway." - DE

Not at all. The characters are dressed like supervillains.

EDIT: That and the "worst of us" part of the text. "Us" is vague, but obviously it's a group that wouldn't include the attackers, but would include said supervillains.

I supposed it also depends on what you crop out of the image, too.

edited 25th Nov '10 6:47:16 PM by neoYTPism

If the OotS one's used, here's a cleaned up version◊.

edited 25th Nov '10 10:36:26 PM by BritBllt

EDIT: Never mind, apparently the thread about Suckiness Is Painful was locked. I assume it was decided on that the Celine Dion would not be used for that trope, such as for it to still be an option here...

And again, it depends on the kind of approach we want to take, and whether we go with serious quote and image, or parodical quote and image...

edited 26th Nov '10 12:48:51 AM by neoYTPism

Right, but if it does go towards the latter, at least the pic's all ready.

neo YT Pism: Kinda. I disagreed with the reasons the OP offered that it was a bad image for the trope, but others sorta went along with it, and something popped up that people liked better. I still think it could've stayed, but it being freed up for this one is kind of a bonus to them, I guess.

Seeing that they now have different picture for Suckiness Is Painful (Asterix), Order Of The Stick could be put up again.

But I kinda like Joker and Red Skull one. It doesn't take much of a braincell to know who Joker is. Now, Joker saying that someone working for Nazi is even horrible to him(!), that is perfect example. Complete Monster telling another guy that even he is lower than him.

Is there a good pic of Doom talking about the imposter who was going to have his way with Sue Storm?

"But I kinda like Joker and Red Skull one. It doesn't take much of a braincell to know who Joker is. Now, Joker saying that someone working for Nazi is even horrible to him(!), that is perfect example. Complete Monster telling another guy that even he is lower than him." - Mandemo

This. I didn't even notice that the image was linked to until I saw that post, but if Joker is recognizable enough to be the page image for Chaotic Evil or for the Magnificent Bastard film subpage, he should be recognizable enough that telling someone off would be considered a good demonstration of Even Evil Has Standards. The real question is how to make it fit within the 350 pixels wide limit...

I support the Joker and Red Skull comic. Sure, it depends on the text a lot, but so does the Order Of The Stick comic. And it's not all text: the expressions and Red Skull's outfit add to the meaning.

I still feel that while the Order Of The Stick image has a lot of text, the visual elements do well enough to play a role in shaping how it is a fitting example in addition to complimenting the text.

The Joker-Red Skull image, however, is entirely dialogue driven; the visuals don't matter and have no part in shaping the trope example.

"The Joker-Red Skull image, however, is entirely dialogue driven; the visuals don't matter and have no part in shaping the trope example." - Sean Murray

The images include the image of Joker, image of Red Skull, and, as DE pointed out, the image of their facial expressions as they say what they say. What exactly about the visuals of the order of the stick one is better?

Again, we should also ask the question of whether we want serious examples or parodical examples for the page image and page quote for this page.

Also, the use of a Celine Dion album in the OOTS image is a Take That!, not an expression of fact. I get the punchline that "everybody hates Celine Dion", but that's it. I'm not a music person....

^^But Joker's and Red Skull's facial expressions could be about anything. They have nothing to do with conveying the trope.

The OotS image, at least, has a character convey evil intent almost entirely through words, but then has his associate visually produce a means of carrying out his desired followed by the same character both verbally and visually refusing it.

^However, I will agree that the image is mostly a Take That!. It's still the best image that has been suggested in this thread so far, but I will acknowledge that it has this one very glaring flaw, and I would definitely jump at the chance to push for something better on the page whenever it comes along.

edited 30th Nov '10 7:39:08 PM by SeanMurrayI

Well, seeing as how there are numerous examples on the trope page's examples list, it shouldn't be too hard to find a better picture. o.o

edited 1st Dec '10 12:45:01 PM by neoYTPism

Crowner?

I meant on the Even Evil Has Standards page; and more specifically its examples list. I think it's too early for a crowner, let's just keep looking first. I'd hate to see one of the current options gain so much momentum that further options barely get noticed upon being presented later on...

Well, here is the Even Evil Has Standards moment from the sequel to The Lion King. It is just a suggestion, but I think the facial expressions kind of give off the Even Evil Has Standards feel...

I have no idea what's going on in that pic.

... well, like I said, it was just a suggestion. I was hoping the facial expressions would be enough without needing the context, but apparently not. o.o

Just a few lions and a caption ? No clue whats going on.

Well, I can tell that the one at the back says something and the one closer to the camera is not amused, but it doesn't scream Even Evil Has Standards. For all I know, the lion at the back could just have insulted the other one's mother.

It looks like we have following problem: tehre is no picture that can show this trope without text AND without being Take That!.

And why can't same picture show two tropes? Are being too nitpicky here?