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disturbly Since: Mar, 2010
#1: Oct 4th 2010 at 7:21:59 PM

Is Wonder Woman a virgin?

I ask because I've read the series from Perez's run through Loeb's to Byrne's (Volume 2, 1987-90 something) and I've yet to see one of Diana's relationships progress beyond the "crippling disappointment" phase. I've seen a lot of hype about the projected loss of Diana's virginity from websites a couple years ago, but no "after-action report", so to speak.

I'm of course not counting Kingdom Come, Dark Knight Returns, or her marriage to Steve Trevor pre-crisis.

Can anyone tell me if, at any point in the post crisis canon, Wonder Woman has engaged in a sexual act with another sentient being? If so, what issue? I don't really care that much- it's just that the difficulty of finding a concrete answer "yes" or "no" has made my curiousity overwhelming.

Sorry if this issue's been discussed before; I searched the forum topics first, and didn't find anything.

edited 4th Oct '10 7:23:02 PM by disturbly

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#2: Oct 4th 2010 at 7:26:22 PM

<Rolls around laughing for five minutes or so>

Oh, man, no lead in or anything, so blunt about it. Getting right to the brass tacks, there.

Anyway, no... I don't think so... Superhero sex lives are a little... fuzzy, since, y'know, most of them aren't elaborated on. I'm guessing based on the fact that she's been married before (though that might've been retconned, who can tell anymore?) and comes from a culture that... well... yeah, she's Ancient Greek, and that's all I'm saying.

Still, for most heroes there's little elaboration - at least DC Heroes. The only DC hero we know has a... ahem... healthy personal life is Batman. Or, more accurately, Bruce Wayne. Gotta keep up public appearances, right?

edited 4th Oct '10 7:27:40 PM by KnownUnknown

NateTheGreat Since: Jan, 2001
#3: Oct 4th 2010 at 8:52:42 PM

At one point I think she was supposed to sleep with Tom Tresser, but I think that fell through.

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#4: Oct 4th 2010 at 9:15:27 PM

Maybe she had some fun times with the other girls on Themiscyra growing up?

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disturbly Since: Mar, 2010
#5: Oct 5th 2010 at 12:06:14 AM

Maybe she had some fun times with the other girls on Themiscyra growing up?

Does this idea strike anyone besides me as high-octane squick-fuel? I mean, all of the other Amazons were adults when Diana was born, and would have watched her grow up. The idea that one of them would develop a sexual attraction to her and act on it just seems perverse to me in ways I can't really articulate... I dunno, it just seems to me that if you help potty train someone, you remove them from your list of potential sexual partners forever, or you're... pretty messed up.

Oh, man, no lead in or anything, so blunt about it. Getting right to the brass tacks, there.

Yeah, well... I treat the discussion of superhero sex lives like ripping off a scab. No need to prolong the experience; just get it over with so I can move on with my life. Five posts in, and I'm already contemplating how well the Westermarck effect would discourage Amazonian pederasty; I'd just really like to get a simple "yes/no" answer to my original question, bleach my tainted brain cells, and never think of this issue again.

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#6: Oct 5th 2010 at 4:24:30 AM

*shrug* It wouldn't be the squickiest comic relationship I've ever seen, at any rate.

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krrackknut Not here, look elsewhere from The empty Aether. Since: Jan, 2001
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#7: Oct 5th 2010 at 5:17:32 AM

We don't know.

That's the problem.

An useless name, a forsaken connection.
eX 94. Grandmaster of Shark Since: Jan, 2001
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#8: Oct 5th 2010 at 3:23:23 PM

^^^

Diana has rec ivied multiple childhood friends she grew up with, with a lot of different explanations were they are from. But there are almost always younger Amazons around.

disturbly Since: Mar, 2010
#9: Oct 5th 2010 at 8:02:13 PM

*shrug* It wouldn't be the squickiest comic relationship I've ever seen, at any rate

Ok, I know I'm going to regret this, but... name three. The only squickier relationship that comes to mind for me is Quicksilver/Scarlet Witch; what have you got?

Diana has rec ivied multiple childhood friends she grew up with, with a lot of different explanations were they are from. But there are almost always younger Amazons around.

May I ask you to elaborate? The only other non-adult Amazon to come from Themiscyra at the point in the comics where I'm at is Donna Troy, and apparently she was whisked away by an evil angel or something before she and Diana had a chance to bond. What are you referencing, Pre-Crisis, Justic League Unlimited, or something that came up in one of the Jimenez/Rucka/Simone/whoever runs that I haven't read yet?

edited 5th Oct '10 8:02:42 PM by disturbly

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11Numb Collars gonna Coll from Tejas Since: Jun, 2010
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#10: Oct 5th 2010 at 8:06:44 PM

Adding Mind-raped Supes/Big Barda to the squicky relationship list.

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#11: Oct 5th 2010 at 8:07:58 PM

I dunno the answer, but this reminds me of a immature joke I heard once in high school:

Superman was flying over and he saw Wonder Woman lying naked on a beach. He figured that if he screwed her fast enough she wouldn't know what had happened, so he flew down, did the deed and flew off before anyone could see him.

Wonder Woman asked "What was that?"

The Invisible Man said "I don't know, but my butt hurts!"

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#12: Oct 5th 2010 at 8:30:57 PM

Probably yes. As I've said before, she was a clay statue brought to life by to live on an isolated island full of women. She has no biological parents, she doesn't age, there is no good reason for her to even have DNA, much less a sex drive, since reproduction probably wasn't included in the blue print. Otherwise men would be on the island.

The other amazons are lesbians because their sex drive is a hold over from their human origins. Wonder Woman never had one of those to begin with.

edited 20th Sep '13 6:42:03 PM by Cider

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FurikoMaru Reverse the Curse from The Arrogant Wasteland Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: He makes me feel like I have a heart
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#13: Oct 5th 2010 at 9:50:26 PM

Name three? Okay. Ms. Marvel/That Dude Who Raped And Impregnated Her With Himself (While All The Avengers Were Totally Okay With This); Ant Man/The Wasp, both because of the one thing everyone remembers about it and because she married him even after she knew he was nuts (and depending on what your thoughts are on yaoi the situation might even have used that to her advantage to coerce him); and Harth/Melaka (granted, as far as I know that one's onesided).

Oh, and the Sentient Armour/Tony Stark.

edited 5th Oct '10 9:51:34 PM by FurikoMaru

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Drakyndra Her with the hat from Somewhere Since: Jan, 2001
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#14: Oct 5th 2010 at 11:57:37 PM

Someone needs to link to that Cracked article about creepy comic book relationships.

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#15: Oct 6th 2010 at 10:15:42 AM

Heck, Pym/Jocasta anyone? Yeah, deal with your the loss of your dead wife by dating the robot based off her... Oh and yeah, said robots look at you as something like a father/god figure.

edited 6th Oct '10 12:12:33 PM by Arilou

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#16: Oct 6th 2010 at 12:08:53 PM

Tony/Sentient Armor was far too full of cheese, drama, and hilarity for me to find it squicky. [lol]

Seconding Carol/Marcus.. AND THEN SHE GAVE BIRTH TO HIM WTF.

I think the real question is, though, if Diane were to have sex would she do so in a manner keeping with her BDSM origins?

disturbly Since: Mar, 2010
#17: Oct 6th 2010 at 4:19:14 PM

I think the real question is, though, if Diane were to have sex would she do so in a manner keeping with her BDSM origins?

The way I see it, she'd probably have to. It's the flip-side of the "Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex" dillemma. If her partner isn't invulnerable, one involuntary muscle contraction of Diana's could cause amputation. The only way to put a damper on her superstrength would be for her partner to chain her bracelets together.

...those are the kind of thoughts I never had before I got into comic books.

edited 6th Oct '10 4:19:43 PM by disturbly

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Sparkysharps Since: Jan, 2001
#18: Oct 7th 2010 at 3:21:27 AM

^ Ah, Woman of Kleenex. Sometimes a bit... off in some of it's speculations (bullet-sperm, anyone?), but nonetheless a classic.

Well, if Super-Strength does carry down to there, there's still non-penetrative options and the like that would be, if not easy, at least not penis-breakingly dangerous.

edited 7th Oct '10 3:22:07 AM by Sparkysharps

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#19: Oct 7th 2010 at 3:38:37 PM

If I recall correctly, Wonder Woman's super-toughness has some sort of arbitrary weakness against objects with a small enough surface area (hence why she needs to block bullets, but can take punches from Superman). If that's the case, then she just needs to find a guy with suitably small equipment.

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#20: Oct 10th 2010 at 5:50:23 PM

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Best thread ever.

Oh, as for messed up relationships, surely Monsieur Mallah/ Brain would be one? They're pretty tame compared to incest and raped-by-your-own-child, but the relationship between a French gorilla and an evil brain in a jar isn't exactly normal.

edited 10th Oct '10 5:53:08 PM by Ronka87

DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
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#21: Oct 10th 2010 at 5:52:29 PM

Consider the origins (of the comic, not whatever origin story has been retconned in). She wasn't a virgin. Just the writer couldn't actually state so for obvious reasons. The comic was Getting Crap Past the Radar enough as it is.

edited 10th Oct '10 5:53:01 PM by DragonQuestZ

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#22: Oct 12th 2010 at 10:47:57 PM

Oh she most certainly had a frig or seven with the amazonians. But I dont think that's what we're talking about

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DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
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#23: Oct 13th 2010 at 3:07:50 AM

Who said I meant that? Or were you replying to someone else?

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disturbly Since: Mar, 2010
#24: Oct 18th 2010 at 3:32:39 AM

Oh she most certainly had a frig or seven with the amazonians. But I dont think that's what we're talking about

No, girl on girl would be perfectly valid for my purposes. It's just that, as I mentioned earlier in the thread, any of the Amazons getting it on with Diana would be so freaking creepy.

Consider the origins (of the comic, not whatever origin story has been retconned in). She wasn't a virgin. Just the writer couldn't actually state so for obvious reasons.

Care to elaborate? Afraid neither I nor my parents had been conceived when Wonder Woman first came out, so I never caught the first issue of the original series. Any particular bit of suggestive dialogue you're referring to, or something?

edited 18th Oct '10 3:33:12 AM by disturbly

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DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
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#25: Oct 18th 2010 at 8:31:34 PM

"Care to elaborate? Afraid neither I nor my parents had been conceived when Wonder Woman first came out, so I never caught the first issue of the original series. Any particular bit of suggestive dialogue you're referring to, or something?"

From the Wonder Woman page:

"She was created in 1940 by psychologist William Moulton Marston (then an educational consultant to DC Comics) along with his wife Elizabeth Holloway Marston, as a deliberate counterpoint to the all-male stable of "Übermenschen" published by DC at the time. Marston was remarkably free of the era's usual prejudices about and disdain for women, and intentionally designed the character to embody his image of an idealized strong, unconventional and independent female.

As a historical note, Marston was also vital in the development of the polygraph ("lie detector") — which may be why Wonder Woman's lasso forces criminals to speak the truth. Marston also had unconventional sexual views (He and his wife had a third partner, Olive Byrne — unconventional by today's standards, grounds for arrest and/or public stoning in 1940). He was a practioner of BDSM and or bondage thus, many of his stories had elements of this"

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