The Walking Dead

I think it was a waste of time to fake out Glenn's death considering that he gets Killed Off for Real by Negan later anyway.

Fauxshadowing, maybe?

Kinda, if the analysis videos are true, Gleen have this jesus symbolism going one for him and dying and coming again make him more of a symbol, in the end he dies because....well, there was nothing else to do.

Now, Gleen helping nicolas and him dying later was just pointless.

Too many shocking deaths hurt the series.

Because finals are almost over and I need a vacation, I'm going to nostalgia-binge-watch the first three seasons. You know, the good ones. Trailers included. More when I finish the first season.

Partly out of broedom, partly because I love me some "Rick before the beard" Walking Dead and because listening to the Wye Oak song from Season 2.

Guess who is leaving.

:(

Alright, to sum up Walking Dead Season 1-

-reads-

Oh goddammit. First Roseanne, now this!? What else do you want!?

-reads further-

...okay, you got me.

Maggie Greene and Rick Grimes are both going to leave after the first 6 episodes.

The new protagonist is Daryl.

Ride with Daryl

The Walking Dead becomes Death Standing/

The Walking Dead has become The Walking Daryl.

Here's a way they could kill off Rick and Maggie that I like. If they took the severed heads scene from the comic and had Alpha decapitate Rick and Maggie instead of Ezekiel and Rosita then, just then, this Daryl-focus could work.

There'd be a need for leadership, something only Daryl, Carol, and Ezekiel have currently shown. It'd be one of the better twists from the comic instead of Rick and Maggie getting crushed by a dumpster from the sky or something. You could easily "reboot" the show from there with Daryl, Michonne, Enid, Judith, Aaron, and Ezekiel. I don't think these characters are irredeemable, but they just weren't receiving any meaningful focus because of the show's Loads And Loads Of Characters.

If Netflix can make a show about The Punisher work by giving him a decent supporting cast then maybe, just maybe AMC can spin something good out of this mess. YMMV on whether Norman Reedus can carry a show - it's horrifying that we're at a point where that seems to be the only thing the producers have faith in anymore.

Side note: How much was Andrew Lincoln making off of this show that by getting rid of him AMC could just throw a $20 million deal at Reedus like that? I mean, jesus. I guess Daryl's living on easy street. Ain't that neat?

edited 4th Jun '18 6:36:47 PM by Soble

Honestly, that scene in the comic struck me as just a way to prune the cast that had gotten too large to manage, because wrapping up the Saviors arc left the writer with no real way to justify killing competent, experienced people. Not like you can just kill such veterans by getting them trapped in a building full of walkers, or have them die due to lack of supplies when they have several fortified towns and plenty of equipment.

Could have been, probably was yeah, but that's why I think it'd be smart for the show to do as well. They're already losing their male and female leads, so they might as well make use of the talent while they still have it and send them off in a way that's familiar and horrifying.

Like the show is even gonna stay true to the comics at this point.

that ship sailed loooong ago

Madison is gone...

You know what it is!

I have nothing but bile for what they did to Fear The Walking Dead. The third season was really good and they just couldn't leave it that way.

Even Forbes went from praising the start of the fourth season to calling it garbage.

edited 12th Jun '18 11:38:19 AM by Soble

Weren't Robert Kirkman and a bunch of other people suing AMC? Whatever happened with that?

Talking dead loses it's host.

edited 16th Jun '18 4:27:52 PM by Mizerous

• they kill off Carl
• a stuntman died during Season 8
• there's talk of Lauren Cohan not being paid enough: Not only are we in a time where gender equality is kind of a big deal, she's a main character
  • Khary Payton even went online to bring attention to this
• the ratings are reportedly at an all-time low
• the previous showrunner who a great deal of the fanbase blame for the show's decline is promoted to being in charge of the main show and the spin-off
• Laurie Holden (Andrea) spoke out about her disappointment with the show
• several people have filed lawsuits against AMC (the family of the stuntman who died, the creator of the comic the show is based on, the original show runner, to name a few)
  • They had problems with Darabont (1st season director)
  • They had problems with Glen Mazzara (3rd season director)
  • Nobody's stayed in the showrunner chair for long AFAIK
  • Scott Gimple, who created some of the better episodes halfway through the show's life, directs a season that ends up critically panned
• Morgan left the show (albeit, this was planned) and Lennie James was one of the show's strongest actors, even if his character was getting on people's nerves
• Andrew Lincoln is leaving the show (unconfirmed but it's pretty much the big news this month) and he's the bloody main character
• Lauren Cohan is probably leaving (she's starring in another show, Whiskey Cavalier)
• Danai Guira is probably leaving (she's Okoye in Black Panther)

And now this.

This may be the most epic downfall of a television series I've ever been alive for.

edited 17th Jun '18 6:08:14 PM by Soble

I haven't been keeping up with the show for years, so that's all super surprising to hear. Goddamn, that's a lot of crap you let pile up AMC.

The show always had problems, but this is the first season where it finally felt like it hit a critical mass.

Lest we forget the clusterfrak that was the beginning of season 2, which had AMC executives screwing over Darabont and the cast/crew walking around in fear because there were executives on-site and people thought they could be fired if they spoke out. Even then, it still seems like Darabont has a good shot at winning his case (if his claims are true, he was directly screwed over by two of the top executives after they gave him contradictory and confusing orders).

At least in Mazzara's case, the problems with his run had much more to do with how badly he botched the finale versus the rest of the season. (Not only did AMC have problems with the ending of the Governor arc not being handled as well as it should have, but the crew had to go back and reshoot most of Andrea's scenes in the finale due to the fact that it came off as laughably inept, with her basically not doing anything to save herself, the undead Milton biting chunks of her and Tyreese saving her before she asks for a gun to kill herself).

The show's been running rudderless for the last two seasons. I still contend that they paced out S7 way too slow, and should have initiated All-Out War with a carrythrough to the beginning of S8/the mid-season finale like what happened in S4. Instead, the whole thing just limped to this underwhelming conclusion, not helped by the drama surrounding Riggs' departure.

No way will Cohan or Gurira stick around after this, especially with the latter starring in two back-to-back billion-dollar films this year alone. She has serious banking power now, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if they simply have Rick and Michonne go off on a trip to investigate some new faction or enemy and simply never return.

I felt that FTWD was a huge waste of a potentially-compelling spinoff and quit watching after the S2 mid-season finale, so I'm not surprised at all that the show (in spite of S3 apparently being better) has completely squandered its main cast and changed its focus.

edited 17th Jun '18 4:57:38 PM by crazyrabbits

An... interesting fan-cut of Season 6 and how they could've pulled the plug early.

Didn't know about that.

This either.

edited 18th Jun '18 5:59:12 PM by Soble