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Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
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#2126: Oct 23rd 2017 at 12:39:03 PM

Why didn't they shoot Negan when he was outside? Literally get a sniper and end it by killing them all.

edited 23rd Oct '17 12:39:27 PM by Mizerous

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TompaDompa from Sweden Since: Jan, 2012
#2127: Oct 23rd 2017 at 1:06:10 PM

Because it would derail the plot.

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BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#2128: Oct 23rd 2017 at 5:21:08 PM

It wouldn't have taken me as many shots to kill Negan. tongue

I've never seen Robot Chicken before, but I watched the Walking Dead special. It was so outrageous. The fact that they brought most (?) of the cast along made it all the better. grin

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#2129: Oct 23rd 2017 at 7:33:39 PM

Why didn't they shoot Negan when he was outside? Literally get a sniper and end it by killing them all.

We don't actually see a whole lot of snipers on Team Rick, let alone rifles for them. Michonne had one and Negan took it. Rick darn well tried with the whatever-rifle he was carrying and might have succeeded, but the priest pulled him away at the last second.

So, yeah, that. [up] (2)

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Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#2130: Oct 26th 2017 at 1:28:42 AM

Looking at the terrain as presented in the episode there's not a good vantage point to stick a sniper where they'd still be in cover, and shooting up from behind cover seems unconducive enough to marksmanship to allow Negan to dodge out of the way.

I'm mostly just confused as to how he got injured in his second last scene. He ran inside apparently uninjured, then he's outside dragging himself along on the ground. Did he take a step outside to flip Rick off when the shooting stop and the explosion knocked him to the ground?

Boston Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: Can't buy me love
#2131: Oct 26th 2017 at 5:24:09 AM

They spent an entire episode arc last season with Sasha and Rosita about finding a perch and sniping Negan from there. That plan may not have worked out, but for other reasons than being a good plan. And Sasha might be gone, but Rosita is still kicking around.

No, really, it's just the writing.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#2132: Oct 26th 2017 at 11:51:24 AM

Rosita is at home licking her gunshot wound. They were 2 people with the element of surprise on their side, unlike Team Rick-Maggie-Ezekiel who are leading an army to Negan's front door.

Another problem is that killing Negan alone doesn't actually stop the Saviors. It just grants Rick's group some personal vengeance for Glenn and Abraham.

[up] (2) They showed Negan diving down the stairs; his lieutenants were the ones who ran inside.

...that is what gets me. He was in the middle, he should have run backward, and literally everyone else managed to get inside.

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Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#2133: Oct 26th 2017 at 6:48:05 PM

I do like that all of his lieutenants would have seen him dive out to the ground and none of them tried to help.

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#2134: Oct 26th 2017 at 9:03:00 PM

Well, fear does not inspire true loyalty. tongue

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CodyTheHeadlessBoy The Great One from Parts Unknown Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
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#2135: Oct 29th 2017 at 12:18:23 AM

[up] Plus if Negan buys it, one of the lieutenants gets a promotion with none of the blame for whacking the boss. evil grin

edited 29th Oct '17 12:20:31 AM by CodyTheHeadlessBoy

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Shaoken (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#2136: Oct 29th 2017 at 1:55:07 AM

So we know that Simon is explicitly Negan's right hand and logically the first in line to replace him, in a hypothetical vacuum if we pretend that Dwight isn't betraying him who would be next in line to lead the Saviours after Simon?

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#2137: Oct 29th 2017 at 11:46:39 AM

That Gavin guy. But we haven't met too many high-ranking Saviors. Or at least, none were on that balcony.

That said, they're basically a post-apocalyptic biker gang. They don't necessarily have a very long chain of command beyond Negan + 3 other people.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#2138: Oct 29th 2017 at 7:00:29 PM

I can't believe they brought Morales back.

That was such a long-running joke I didn't think they'd actually do it. But... this was probably the best time to do it. He was such an insignificant character you never really thought they'd do it.

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BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#2139: Oct 29th 2017 at 7:04:28 PM

I don't remember Morales (then again, I didn't really get into the show until season three), so The Reveal didn't really hit me that hard?

Has Morales gone From Nobody to Nightmare?

How screwed are our heroes (or antiheroes, if you like)?

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#2140: Oct 29th 2017 at 7:06:19 PM

He was such a blank slate he didn't really matter. We didn't really get a lot of detail about him except that he had a family. But he does seem to have gone From Nobody to Nightmare if he's with the Saviors.

[down] Also, that.

edited 29th Oct '17 7:08:28 PM by Soble

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GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#2141: Oct 29th 2017 at 7:07:38 PM

He was with the group in season 1 and didn't stick with them when they went to the CDC.

Addition: I had to look it up, because I forgot who he was too.

edited 29th Oct '17 7:07:56 PM by GethKnight

BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#2142: Oct 29th 2017 at 7:19:14 PM

That seems to be the general reaction to his return. [lol]

I honestly agree with The AV Club review of this episode (they gave it a C). There was a lot of pew pew and bang bang, but not a lot of... substance. Two episodes into the eighth season and we're already getting some filler that honestly feels like the worst excesses of Shōnen anime adaptations.

This show is blessed to have as much acting talent as it does (and it has a lot), because they honestly carry a very thin story and script a lot of the time.

edited 29th Oct '17 7:21:29 PM by BearyScary

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Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
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#2143: Oct 29th 2017 at 8:42:53 PM

Surprised they are trying to keep Saviors alive when Rick made it clear they all must die.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#2144: Oct 29th 2017 at 9:07:11 PM

If they didn't the audience would assume that Team Rick is made up of inhuman, two-dimensional monsters and the Six Deadly Words would be invoked because they simply execute everyone they meet.

Also, Rick specifically offered mercy to... wait, I missed the first 14 minutes, so maybe Rick said something else when they broke into this facility?

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blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
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#2145: Oct 29th 2017 at 10:19:26 PM

Wasn't Morales headed South and West? How the fuck did he end up in Washington DC?

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TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
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#2146: Oct 30th 2017 at 6:01:41 AM

[up] Well, it has been more than half a decade since then. Maybe something changed in the interim.

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ManOfSin Since: Mar, 2015
#2147: Oct 30th 2017 at 2:16:28 PM

Its actually been much less than that in the series's time.

TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
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#2148: Oct 30th 2017 at 2:33:36 PM

[up] It has? But Judith was born in Season 3 and now she looks to be at least four years old.

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BearyScary Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: You spin me right round, baby
#2149: Oct 30th 2017 at 3:54:00 PM

The timeline is messed up, yo. [lol]

I think it's supposed to have been two years since the apocalypse started, but don't quote me on that.

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Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion

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