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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#251: Feb 23rd 2012 at 8:09:01 PM

[up] The thing is, Miura cut that chapter for spoiling too much too early. How did fans find out about it?

EHK Happy Christmas! from EAST ALWAYS EAST Since: Mar, 2010
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#252: Feb 23rd 2012 at 8:11:13 PM

Because it was cut from the volumes not from the original magazine release. At least if memory serves.

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MyssaRei Since: Feb, 2010
#253: Feb 23rd 2012 at 8:12:37 PM

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And as a result the said pep-talk was considered 'semi-canonical' as it's never mentioned since then.

Gosh, that was so long ago.

edited 23rd Feb '12 8:12:55 PM by MyssaRei

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#254: Feb 23rd 2012 at 8:26:05 PM

[up] Apparently, Skullknight.net sent Miura a letter about the Idea, and he actually responded! He said he wasn't sure if he was going to use it again; I think it'd be a pretty big loss if he didn't, don't you?

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#255: Feb 23rd 2012 at 8:28:11 PM

Unless he's trying to mislead them.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
EHK Happy Christmas! from EAST ALWAYS EAST Since: Mar, 2010
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#257: Feb 23rd 2012 at 8:33:29 PM

It's in a vague area canonically speaking.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#258: Feb 23rd 2012 at 8:36:56 PM

[up][up] Not quite. It's seen in the shadows in the chapter before the Missing Episode, looking exactly the same, so its appearance and role, at least, is canonical.

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#259: Feb 23rd 2012 at 8:49:37 PM

I kind of hope it doesn't show up again; it's just bring the series' power scale one step higher than it has any need to, y'know?

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#260: Feb 23rd 2012 at 8:56:14 PM

[up] But if it isn't defeated, the Berserk world will continue to be crapsack, and that Miura quote I found (and which I wish I could find again) makes that seem unlikely to me. Since it's powered by Clap Your Hands If You Believe I think it'll be blown up in a Wishplosion or something similar; weird way to end a Dark Fantasy series, but I can't think of any other way to defeat something that poweful.

edited 23rd Feb '12 8:56:26 PM by HamburgerTime

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#261: Feb 23rd 2012 at 8:59:46 PM

Unless the end a new Idea comes about to balance things out. Because the world needs both good and evil? Or something?

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#262: Feb 23rd 2012 at 9:01:32 PM

[up] I'd thought about that possibility, too. Certainly it must be possible to Clap Your Hands If You Believe an Idea of Good into existence, right? Of course, given the setting, I doubt much of anyone in it believes in good...

EHK Happy Christmas! from EAST ALWAYS EAST Since: Mar, 2010
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#263: Feb 23rd 2012 at 9:26:49 PM

Or knowing this series maybe perseverance?

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DeviousRecital from New York Angeles Since: Nov, 2011
#264: Feb 23rd 2012 at 9:44:26 PM

Since there's apparently elf magic in this universe and Griffith's merged the whole place with the spirit realm, I'd say it's entirely possible that none of that is necessary, though I like the idea that killing a GodHand nets you his power.

I say whatever happens is all going to lead back to our good friend the Skull Knight. How did he end up like that anyway? The apostles and GodHand we have explanation for, but him? Not so much.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#265: Feb 23rd 2012 at 9:56:04 PM

[up] One of my personal favorite Berserk theories is that there's going to be a sort of "reverse-Godhand," composed of people who survived a Sacrifice. Skull Knight is one of them; he was sacrificed by Void.

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#266: Feb 23rd 2012 at 10:16:17 PM

We don't have any confirmation if anyone else survived a sacrifice yet though except Guts and Caska.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#267: Feb 23rd 2012 at 10:19:00 PM

I know, that's just speculation, but it would fit with why Skull Knight hates Void so much.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#268: Feb 23rd 2012 at 11:29:29 PM

Isn't there also an Elemental "Lord" for each element? Wouldn't they be pretty damn powerful, enough to rival the Idea of Evil?

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#269: Feb 23rd 2012 at 11:53:26 PM

I'd thought about that possibility, too. Certainly it must be possible to Clap Your Hands If You Believe an Idea of Good into existence, right? Of course, given the setting, I doubt much of anyone in it believes in good...

I don't think there's going to be an Idea Of Good that's separate from the Idea of Evil. My understanding is that the Idea Of Evil didn't come about because people felt the need to rationalize a source of evil, like the devil. Rather, they saw horrible stuff happening, and would say "all this must happen for a reason, there's a higher purpose behind this." The Idea Of Evil is essentially God, but it's the sort of god you end up with if you try to rationalize a higher purpose behind everything that happens in a Crapsack World like they live in.

If the world were better, they'd have a better god too, but the Idea Of Evil probably acts to keep things bad. It's Clap Your Hands If You Believe meets Self-Fulfilling Prophecy.

edited 23rd Feb '12 11:54:47 PM by Desertopa

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#270: Feb 24th 2012 at 8:12:31 PM

Hmm.

According to Merriam-Webster, the word "casque" refers to a piece of armor for the head or a helmet; or an anatomical structure suggestive of a helmet (such as the horny outgrowth on the head of a cassowary).

Apparently, "casque" comes from the old french "cask", which comes from the old Spanish "casko" which, to me at least, sounds a lot like "Caska".

Also, seeing as how Griffith is most often shown wearing a distinctive bird helmet, and later as Phemt/Femt/Femto his head has an anatomical structure suggestive of a helmet; it seems that Miura is pulling an elaborate linguistic joke on the reader.

edited 24th Feb '12 8:15:30 PM by ATC

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#271: Feb 24th 2012 at 9:13:04 PM

[up][up][up] It is said the elemental Lords rival the God Hand in Power.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#272: Feb 25th 2012 at 2:21:35 AM

So the Elemental Lords rival the God Hand, eh?

wild mass guessThere will be an Idea of Elements.wild mass guess

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#273: Feb 25th 2012 at 3:54:55 PM

So, is there a "good" afterlife in the Berserk 'verse? At the end of the first arc, we see an undeniably positive character in Hell. Now, that could be explained by the fact that that character had rebelled against the Apostles and Godhand... except that same arc reveals Apostles go to Hell when they die, too. If there is a good afterlife, how do you get into it?

edited 25th Feb '12 3:55:16 PM by HamburgerTime

LSSJ2Gohan from Lima, Peru Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
DeviousRecital from New York Angeles Since: Nov, 2011
#275: Feb 25th 2012 at 4:11:31 PM

[up][up]IIRC, that was a sacrifice made by an apostle-to-be. They all go to hell. They haven't bothered showing us the afterlife of anyone other than those people and apostles.


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