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RawPower Jesus as in Revelations from Barcelona Since: Aug, 2009
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#376: Oct 10th 2010 at 3:08:53 AM

^ Wonderful As for the Bill Of Right, do we copypasta from the Deaclaration of Human Rights or do we impruve upon it?

edited 10th Oct '10 3:09:57 AM by RawPower

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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#377: Oct 10th 2010 at 9:40:22 AM

"...as History finds no more need for it" Needlessly cynical. Article on the Executive is coming soon.

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MEPT72 Vote is No from Boston, MA Since: Sep, 2009
Vote is No
#378: Oct 10th 2010 at 9:45:34 AM

The UN's declaration on human rights? cause there's a lot of stuff in there that I think needs to be removed edited etc.

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RawPower Jesus as in Revelations from Barcelona Since: Aug, 2009
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#379: Oct 10th 2010 at 9:57:10 AM

That's why I said "improve upon". Since we're gonna sign it and ratify it anyways might as well incorporate it into our law as far as such a thing is possible.

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#380: Oct 10th 2010 at 10:21:58 AM

What implies "we're" going to sign and ratify the anything the UN spits out?

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MEPT72 Vote is No from Boston, MA Since: Sep, 2009
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#381: Oct 10th 2010 at 10:45:27 AM

Exactly.

Should we first form some sort of official rules on how we form the constitution? Are we voting or do we have vetoes?

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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#382: Oct 10th 2010 at 10:49:16 AM

Draft Article:

III. The Executive

A. Consistent with the Federal System as outlined in Article I, there is to be an executive Head of Government at each of the three levels of government: National, Regional, and Local. The National Head of Government shall be called the President, the Regional shall be called the Governor, and the local shall be called the Mayor. Territories shall be governed by an administrative head appointed for a five year term by the President, as approved by the House of Representatives. Executive heads of government to serve for four year terms, maximum of two terms.

B. At each level of government, the election process shall be as follows: a general election by all eligible voters on one day selected by the corresponding legislature. The election process shall be administered by an election commission to be appointed by the National Minister of Justice for a four year term, the day of appointment not to fall on an election year. The election commission shall be funded by the House of Representatives.

C. All executive agencies shall report to the executive head of government at the corresponding level of government, such that national agencies shall report to the President, regional agencies to the Governor, and so forth. The executive head of government shall have the right to appoint or remove Ministers as heads of these agencies at any time. Appointments are made with the approval of a majority of the House of Representatives.

D. The executive head of government is considered the Chief of all public security forces at the corresponding level of government. He is also to take on emergency powers during times of declared emergencies (see Article IV).

E. In the event of the removal from office by death, incapacitation, or any other nonprocedural means, the Minister of Justice is to appoint a member of the court at the appropriate level of government to become the executive head of government pro temp, until another election can be organized by the election commission. This election must occur within one year of the removal of the executive.

F. Executive heads of government can only be procedurally removed from office by means of the council and ballot process at the corresponding level of government, such ballot of removal must be approved by 60% of all eligible voters at that level of government.

I guess I'm implying above that article IV is about powers of the government relating to national security, public safety, and times of declared emergencies (the one great weakness of the US Constitution is a lack of detail regarding this). The section on individual rights can then be article V. I would recommend using the US Bill of Rights as a template, but include such rights as we think should be in there. I strongly recommend that we detail what constitutes Free Speech during an election.

That's three articles so far, and the beginning of a preamble. Should we put it all together in one place?

edited 10th Oct '10 10:56:44 AM by DeMarquis

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#383: Oct 10th 2010 at 5:18:37 PM

We could, but where can we put it?

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#384: Oct 11th 2010 at 3:29:11 AM

Unfortunately, Bon appears to have been banned thus eliminating one of our post active posters in this thread. I'll see if I can post some suggestions and critiques of what we have later today.

I'm afraid I cannot write an intelligent post at six in the morning.

AlirozTheConfused Bibliophile. from Daz Huat! Since: May, 2010
Bibliophile.
#385: Oct 11th 2010 at 5:23:28 AM

^^^ post 373. Partly done.

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#386: Oct 11th 2010 at 6:42:05 AM

I petitioned to have Bon be reinstated but only allowed to post in this thread (jokingly though).

Didn't fly.

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#387: Oct 11th 2010 at 6:55:38 AM

What did Bon Sequitur do to get himself banned?

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RawPower Jesus as in Revelations from Barcelona Since: Aug, 2009
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#388: Oct 11th 2010 at 7:31:31 AM

Something about using Rott's entrails as skipping ropes.

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#389: Oct 11th 2010 at 8:24:58 AM

It was less of a Non Sequitur than it sounds, trust me.

It was a BON Sequitur!

Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#391: Oct 11th 2010 at 9:37:23 AM

You will suffer for that Tomu. You. Will. Suffer.

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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#392: Oct 11th 2010 at 9:37:44 AM

Like joking over someone's grave. During the funeral. Anyway...

Thank you Aliroz, for summing up various contributions. But in case you didn't know, or if anyone else is wondering, there is a bunch more stuff:

Article I, the legislative process, is in post 287 Article II, the judicial, is in post 272 Article III, the executive, is in post 382 The 1st part of the Preamble is in post 375

We've actually made quite a bit of progress, I'm impressed with us!

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secretist Maria Holic from Ame no Kisaki Since: Feb, 2010
RawPower Jesus as in Revelations from Barcelona Since: Aug, 2009
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#395: Oct 11th 2010 at 11:04:55 AM

Which is why it's built into this wonderful constitution that, if they want to and we want to, they're wilkom!

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secretist Maria Holic from Ame no Kisaki Since: Feb, 2010
#397: Oct 11th 2010 at 11:17:32 AM

We need an army, navy, air force, marine, speace force, coast gaurd, space guard, spacy, etc. to do that.

TU NE CEDE MALIS CLASS OF 1971
RawPower Jesus as in Revelations from Barcelona Since: Aug, 2009
Jesus as in Revelations
#398: Oct 11th 2010 at 11:28:00 AM

How about this:

ARTICLE (whatever number). Aspiring sincerely to an international peace based on justice and order, the Hypothetica people forever renounce war as a sovereign right of the nation and the threat or use of force as means of settling international disputes.

To accomplish the aim of the preceding paragraph, land, sea, and air forces, as well as other war potential, will never be maintained. The right of belligerency of the state will not be recognized.

Or, if you want to be less of an Actual Pacifist:

"Hypothetica repudiates war as an instrument offending the liberty of the peoples and as a means for settling international disputes; it agrees to limitations of sovereignty where they are necessary to allow for a legal system of peace and justice between nations, provided the principle of reciprocity is guaranteed; it promotes and encourages international organizations furthering such ends."

edited 11th Oct '10 11:29:23 AM by RawPower

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secretist Maria Holic from Ame no Kisaki Since: Feb, 2010
#399: Oct 11th 2010 at 11:29:18 AM

Thanks, sounds it's the Actual Pacifist. Loophole addendums would wind up with Technical Pacifist.

edited 11th Oct '10 11:31:11 AM by secretist

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#400: Oct 11th 2010 at 11:57:48 AM

No interest in limiting war here.

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