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uncertanSearcher It's always Season of the Witch from Germany Since: Oct, 2017
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#203101: Aug 4th 2024 at 10:29:37 AM

Is there any indication that Masters is actually canon to the mainline games?

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#203102: Aug 4th 2024 at 10:31:03 AM

Alternate universe shenanigans lets Masters be canon to the main games and not canon at the same time.

They already established the Pokemon multiverse explicitly in the Ultra games.

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Lymantria Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph from Toronto Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
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#203103: Aug 4th 2024 at 10:38:13 AM

Pokémon is already turning into the MCU - sorry, MCM (Marvel Cinematic Multiverse).

Some of the main series games may be in different timelines, but presumably the same multiverse, which might even include the anime and other media.

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The-Azure-Star-Of-Orion Long time lurker from a deep dark hole Since: Mar, 2022 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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#203104: Aug 4th 2024 at 11:41:42 AM

[up]that's exactly why Ash is in masters as Hoopa did a funny.

Re Cyrus: that's what his revenge is: to rebuild the world without spirit so he won't feel pain anymore, all thanks to his parents for being the pinnacle of Asian education parents with really high expectations, it got so bad to the point were his grandfather thought to take Cyrus away from his parents which speaks volumes.

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Chariot King of Anime Since: Jul, 2014
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#203105: Aug 4th 2024 at 1:03:54 PM

My personal stance is that the only things that are canon are the mainline games, specially the initial pairs, and everything else is up for debate. I personally don't consider Masters canon either.

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#203106: Aug 4th 2024 at 1:51:39 PM

The thing about “canon” is the term is meaningless without qualifiers. A work can be canon to another work, while not being canon to a third work. The Mystery Dungeon games aren’t canon to the mainline, for example, but they are canon to each other.

That said, so far the main series has not acknowledged Masters in any way.

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Aug 4th 2024 at 4:52:25 AM

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dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#203107: Aug 4th 2024 at 1:55:01 PM

My stance for most works in a series like Pokemon is this: I assume they're in their own continuity unless the work itself explicitly states otherwise.

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Lymantria Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph from Toronto Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
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#203108: Aug 4th 2024 at 3:01:45 PM

The mainline series rarely references spinoffs at all, to be honest.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#203109: Aug 4th 2024 at 7:01:54 PM

@Chariot, I do recall you claiming Pokémon Emerald wasn’t canon.

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#203110: Aug 4th 2024 at 7:58:28 PM

The mainline games themselves aren't all in the same timeline. That started in Gen 6, with ORAS implying that the original RSE was a seperate universe (and using the Link Cable to get rid of the meteor would have made it their problem) and that XY was canon to the ORAS timeline rather than the RSE one. And then Gen 7 opened up the Ultra Wormholes and just made the multiverse canon.

So yeah, every version of the game is in its own universe at this point, and how much of the previous games are canon in that universe is in constant flux. And with Ultra Wormholes allowing people from the old games to end up in the new ones... it's only a matter of time before a 'classic' and 'modern' version of the same character end up face to face.

Edited by Anura on Aug 4th 2024 at 4:01:27 PM

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#203111: Aug 4th 2024 at 7:59:51 PM

Technically, it started in Gen 5, with the Dream World and the dialogue implications that Black and White take place in parallel universes.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#203112: Aug 4th 2024 at 8:00:10 PM

Yeah, from a certain point of view, you could argue Emerald is canon while Ruby and Sapphire aren't.

Heck, Diamond and Pearl might not be canon since Cynthia mentions the events of Platinum happening in the Unova games.

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#203113: Aug 4th 2024 at 8:18:06 PM

[up]But at this point that might not be correct as while B&W used platinum the gen 5 remakes would used BDSP as the reference to events.

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Lymantria Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph from Toronto Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
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#203114: Aug 4th 2024 at 8:19:27 PM

I wouldn’t consider any mainline games to be non-canon to the multiverse without very good reason.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#203115: Aug 4th 2024 at 8:24:14 PM

[up][up] What? There are no Gen V remakes.

Yet.

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#203116: Aug 4th 2024 at 8:26:36 PM

Hey. Pokemon shield player. Looking for solrock, mawile, alolan Meowth, swirlix

I have galarian ponyta, eiscue, vullaby, and lunatone on offer. But I can trade other Pokemon if you prefer.

PM if interested. Will probably be online tomorrow afternoon or evening.

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The-Azure-Star-Of-Orion Long time lurker from a deep dark hole Since: Mar, 2022 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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#203117: Aug 4th 2024 at 8:30:25 PM

[up][up]sorry for not being clear but that's what I meant when the gen 5 remakes come out, as they can only use the gen 4 remakes to reference.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#203118: Aug 4th 2024 at 8:34:10 PM

Sure about that? There's nothing really stopping them from not changing Cynthia's lines.

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The-Azure-Star-Of-Orion Long time lurker from a deep dark hole Since: Mar, 2022 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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#203119: Aug 4th 2024 at 8:55:52 PM

It be kinda weird if they didn't.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#203120: Aug 4th 2024 at 8:58:23 PM

I'll remember this post when we get the inevitable Gen V remakes. We'll see what happens then. [lol]

Edited by RedHunter543 on Aug 4th 2024 at 11:58:48 PM

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The-Azure-Star-Of-Orion Long time lurker from a deep dark hole Since: Mar, 2022 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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#203121: Aug 4th 2024 at 10:10:17 PM

Well I'll miss it as this gen is my last one, after PLZA I'm done.

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Lymantria Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph from Toronto Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
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#203122: Aug 4th 2024 at 10:12:32 PM

Dare I ask why? How do you know Z–A won’t be good enough to get you back on track?

[down] Sorry, it’s gone now.

Edited by Lymantria on Aug 4th 2024 at 1:38:07 PM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#203123: Aug 4th 2024 at 10:19:31 PM

I don't think that last question is appropriate.

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dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#203124: Aug 4th 2024 at 10:23:42 PM

If Z-A has Alpha Pokemon, one Pokemon I'd love to see is Alpha Tyrantrum. Though given how Arceus handled its Fossil Pokemon, I'm expecting the Tyrunt line and Amaura line to only appear in space-time distortion-type events, so a wild Alpha Tyrantrum probably won't be a common sight, if at all.

I'd also love to see an Alpha Florges in action.

Edited by dragonfire5000 on Aug 4th 2024 at 10:27:13 AM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#203125: Aug 4th 2024 at 10:25:27 PM

Tyrantum would def be a scary alpha.

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