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#196276: Apr 19th 2023 at 10:08:46 AM

The thing is well it's always considered good at singles. Most thought it would be really easy to counter in doubles due to predictablity and hence not as good.

Turns out people were way off.

i really wouldn't say that they were way off, nor was predictability it's issue (there are a ton of predictable pokemon in VGC), nor did the community ever think it would be easy to counter

if we look at why palafin really didnt do well in Season 1, (hovering around 5% usage) it was because:

  • it was slow in an inherently fast format. not in terms of speed stats, but in terms of the fact that turn 1 required that you send out Palafin and recall it, which is a massive momentum killer at the beginning of the game.
  • the majority of the most used pokemon at the time resisted it's sole stab, which limited how effective it could be even when utilized properly.
  • it was directly competing with Dondozo for a team spot during a time when Order Up was bugged and a very broken move

almost as soon as Series 2 started, Palafin doubled in usage because the majority of meta pokemon were no longer water resistant, on top of Dondozo's Order Up being patched.

and to be quite honest, most of the reason it's seeing so much play is because it's an effective answer to Ting Lu, Flutter Mane, and Chi Yu (and Glimmora to a lesser extent). it doesnt have anything to do with VGC players not realizing it's strength, it has everything to do with the fact that it's really good against the most prominent threats at the moment.

Edited by EpicBleye on Apr 19th 2023 at 1:10:19 PM

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#196277: Apr 19th 2023 at 11:19:09 AM

purely defensive Ices are actually pretty rare.

However, for some reason there are a lot of Ice-types whose stats and movepool feels as if GF don't know if they want the pokemon to be a sweeper or a tank [lol]

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#196281: Apr 20th 2023 at 9:30:32 AM

In a CGWORLD interview, Creatures notes they have Pokemon animations internally future proofed at 60 fps.

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#196282: Apr 20th 2023 at 10:17:30 AM

Future-proofing won't mean much if rushed production continues to enforce Dexits happening in every game going forward.

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#196283: Apr 20th 2023 at 10:20:02 AM

Is there an actual technical reason they can't use these models?

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#196284: Apr 20th 2023 at 10:26:07 AM

[up][up]Every Pokemon will show up at some point, just not all in the same title, so they still need those models.

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#196285: Apr 20th 2023 at 10:27:07 AM

Future-proofing won't mean much if rushed production continues to enforce Dexits happening in every game going forward.

You say that like they'd stop doing dexits if they had more time. Leaving aside that the ever-increasing pokedex makes including everything increasingly infeasible, limiting what's available is clearly part of the overall strategy at this point. Not only does it incentivize getting the DLC, it also causes the competitive meta to vary a lot more between generations (and as DLC drops). Which is good

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#196286: Apr 20th 2023 at 10:27:37 AM

I can't really complain much about Dexit since most of the Pokemon I like have been spared.

Most.

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#196287: Apr 20th 2023 at 10:30:59 AM

So far, only very few Pokemon haven't appeared in at least one game on Switch, I think less than 20. Definitely less than 10 families. I know Blitzle (but that's confirmed for SV DLC), Pikipek, Furfrou, and Minior and their evolution lines still haven't made an appearance on a main-series Switch game, there may be a very small number of others.

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#196288: Apr 20th 2023 at 10:35:29 AM

I just want Mienfoo line so I can complete the Poké-Earthen Heart trio. I have the boys, I just need best girl [lol]

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#196289: Apr 20th 2023 at 10:50:01 AM
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#196290: Apr 20th 2023 at 10:50:22 AM

[up][up]So long as you have the hero true then you have all you need. cool

Edited by RedHunter543 on Apr 21st 2023 at 1:50:32 AM

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#196291: Apr 20th 2023 at 10:51:57 AM

[up][up] Inevitable or not it’s still shit.

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#196292: Apr 20th 2023 at 10:59:50 AM

[up]If the games needed 1000 species in one game to sell, it'd just be a Dancing Bear.

[down]Then I have literally no idea what you're arguing for.

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Apr 20th 2023 at 2:26:45 PM

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#196293: Apr 20th 2023 at 11:22:14 AM

That would be a very good response if I was actually arguing that the games need 1000+ Pokémon to sell

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#196294: Apr 20th 2023 at 11:24:00 AM

I do think a certain few Pokemon need to get the timeout hammer after being consistently in. Isn't that right, Psyduck and Golduck?

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#196295: Apr 20th 2023 at 11:26:21 AM

It is unfortunate that some Pokemon will regularly box out others, true.

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#196296: Apr 20th 2023 at 11:29:30 AM

Dexit was not inevitable, they had no problem fitting 800 Pokemon on the freaking 3DS, they could easily fit 1000 on the Switch. Hell, Home is a Switch game and it can hold all 1000+ Pokemon.

It is 100% not a realistic hardware limitation that they cannot fit all the Pokemon in one game.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Apr 20th 2023 at 11:29:59 AM

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#196297: Apr 20th 2023 at 11:31:30 AM

I don't doubt it's not a hardware limitation. If they really wanted to, they could use the bigger carts like Tears of the Kingdom. But I can imagine a "not worth the workload" reason.

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#196298: Apr 20th 2023 at 11:31:51 AM

I feel like Game Freak is bad at game optimization and has been since Gen 1.

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#196299: Apr 20th 2023 at 11:32:04 AM

[up][up]I was responding more to Chariot's comment.

[up]Yeah, they really need some help on optimization. Apparently, Scarlet and Violet's ocean is the size of the sun, or something like that, for no goddamn reason?

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Apr 20th 2023 at 11:34:01 AM

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#196300: Apr 20th 2023 at 11:34:50 AM

I actually don't think Dexit is a necessarily bad thing at all, if it were explained using gameplay terms as some species are just not native to, or are actively harmful to, a region, like with Gen 5. Gen 7 would've been a perfect place to do so again, as Hawaii has to be notoriously protective of their ecosystem.

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