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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#188876: Jan 30th 2022 at 1:03:33 PM

Raichu and Lugia are evenly matched offensive-wise.

Or, Lugia is just bulky Raichu.

Volt Tackle debuted as a special move, in any case.

And not only 30 BP; Double Edge is Take Down, but doing 33% more damage; 4 Take Downs are the same as 3 Double Edges.

Edited by Eriorguez on Jan 30th 2022 at 10:05:19 AM

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#188877: Jan 30th 2022 at 1:03:49 PM

I dont get why Electric's only physical coverage has to be recoil stuff. I mean, sure, there's Thunder Punch too, I guess, but it's still not that strong, is it. tongue

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#188878: Jan 30th 2022 at 1:05:44 PM

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I mean Pikachu is an electric mouse, so it makes sense for it to be more of a general Fragile Speedster or Glass Cannon rather than specializing on ea single side of the phys/special split. Plus before Sinnoh, the type of move dictates where it fell on said split in the first place.

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Jan 30th 2022 at 1:06:09 AM

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#188879: Jan 30th 2022 at 1:08:52 PM

I just looked it up, and thunder punch IS the strongest non-recoil physical electric move that isn't exclusive to a legendary.

Like come on, nothing would be broken if plasma fists was more widely distributed, would it?

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#188880: Jan 30th 2022 at 1:13:40 PM

Buff the elepunches and elefangs to 90 and 80 BP.

clemont107 Taunie from Lumiose City, Kalos (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Taunie
#188881: Jan 30th 2022 at 1:19:15 PM

I would be interested in seeing a physical counterpart to Thunderbolt, with a name like "Thunderstrike", with the exact same base power, accuracy and chance of paralysis.

And I would also like to see an Electric-variant of Close Combat and an Electric-type priority attack. But maybe it would make the Electric-type too overpowered?

"Great, now this gal named Dawn is stalking me and complaining about no Sinnoh Megas! It's getting on my nerves!" - Taunie
alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#188882: Jan 30th 2022 at 1:21:31 PM

I'm kinda interested in how tiering would change if every type got good moves for both physical and special tbh. [lol]

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#188883: Jan 30th 2022 at 3:22:01 PM

I feel like Zebstrika's gimmick was supposed to be using Volt Switch and absorbing incoming attacks to boost its stats, since all three of its Abilities are focused around absorbing attacks.

tclittle Professional Forum Ninja from Somewhere Down in Texas Since: Apr, 2010
Professional Forum Ninja
#188884: Jan 30th 2022 at 9:51:11 PM

Legends: Arceus has the 4th best selling launch in the franchise in the UK.

Edited by tclittle on Jan 30th 2022 at 11:51:46 AM

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."
rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#188885: Jan 31st 2022 at 2:03:36 PM

Stantler:

#234.5 - Stantler live secluded lives in temperate, mountainous forests. Their curved antlers subtly change the flow of air around them to create a strange space where reality is distorted, rendering those who stare at the antlers to gradually lose control of their senses and be unable to stand. In Sinnoh during the Hisui era, Stantler were known to evolve into Wyrdeer, a process initiated by their development and practice of the Psychic-type move Psyshield Bash. As these Stantler continue to learn and mature, they begin to grow in a thicker coat that keeps them warm in colder climates. Full-grown Wyrdeer will use their psychic abilities to search out safe paths for their herd and lead young Stantler to safety.

Hugging a Vanillite will give you frostbite.
wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#188886: Jan 31st 2022 at 2:30:26 PM

[up]Are you the one drawing these, or just reposting them?

The sad, REAL American dichotomy
Ultimatum Disasturbator from The Wiggle Room (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#188887: Jan 31st 2022 at 2:33:38 PM

Reposting,I follow the artist on tumblr

Edited by Ultimatum on Jan 31st 2022 at 10:34:07 AM

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#188888: Jan 31st 2022 at 4:34:59 PM

tbh, would anyone else be fine with Frostbite replacing Freeze as the main Ice-type status? We could still have Freeze tied in to Blizzard and Icebeam, but it could be replaced elsewhere with Frostbite (the special equivalent to Burn), including as part of Tri Attack, or a contact based ability (possibly called "Icy Grip"), etc.

The sad, REAL American dichotomy
Anura from England Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#188889: Jan 31st 2022 at 4:59:35 PM

I think getting rid of Freeze and Sleep was a good move. A basic tenet of game design is that making the player unable to play the game is generally a bad idea (which is why I think you should always get the first move against wild Pokemon unless they were attacking you).

Frostbite is a good addition, special Burn was a big obvious hole in the status list, and it's a pseudo-defensive buff to Ice which it also needed. Now all we need are Frostbite versions of Will-o-Wisp and Flame Orb.

Drowsy is a bit trickier. Randomly missing turns is annoying in a different way to missing an unknown random number of turns, the two are difficult to compare. Also, permanent defence reduction (if it appears in the main series) is a death sentence. I'd personally take a cue from Touhou Puppet Dance Performance and copy what they did for bad paralysis: moves used on a Drowsy target never miss, so it becomes permanent Lock-On instead. You can build strats around that, maybe moves like Zap Cannon would make a comeback.

Edited by Anura on Jan 31st 2022 at 1:00:17 PM

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#188890: Jan 31st 2022 at 5:05:38 PM

[up]technically every wild pokemon was attacking you until they started with overworld pokemon.

The sad, REAL American dichotomy
ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#188891: Jan 31st 2022 at 5:06:23 PM

Permanent lock-on sounds like a real good way to make sheer cold and fissure spam a thing.

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#188892: Jan 31st 2022 at 5:15:37 PM

Wait, are we getting new status ailments in Arceus?

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#188893: Jan 31st 2022 at 7:58:40 PM

[up]frostbite replaces frozen, and drowsy replaces sleep

Edited by Deadpoolrocks on Jan 31st 2022 at 7:58:54 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#188894: Jan 31st 2022 at 8:27:39 PM

So I totally forgot about this when it comes to Brilliant Diamond & Shining Pearl:

Always did like this song, though I admit, it's not as good as the original, or even the smash bros version.

Nothing beats the smash bros version.

One Strip! One Strip!
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#188895: Jan 31st 2022 at 9:35:24 PM

Double post:

Remember this scene from the Bidoof short:

One Strip! One Strip!
ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#188896: Feb 1st 2022 at 3:43:29 AM

I just realized something about a weird mechanic that Legends Arceus canonized.

Since pokemon shrinking to fit in balls is just something they do, it means that of course we only ever battle pokemon who want to battle themselves- any other pokemon is just shrunk too small to see and hiding somewhere.

ShinyCottonCandy Everyone's friend Malamar from Lumiose City (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Everyone's friend Malamar
#188897: Feb 1st 2022 at 4:35:00 AM

[up]That doesn't quite work.

The game also says most can't do it at will.

My musician page
Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#188898: Feb 1st 2022 at 6:09:33 AM

Drowsy is just Paralysis affecting defenses rather than speed. Technically a drowsy Pokemon could still pull a sweep.

Status being replaced by other status is something tricky tho.

IrishZombie Since: Dec, 2009
#188899: Feb 1st 2022 at 6:16:45 AM

Freeze is frustrating on both the giving (no way of consistently inflicting it, random duration) and receiving (utterly debilitating, random duration) ends, so I'd be fine with them replacing it. I don't necessarily think a special clone of Burn was really needed (I generally hold the view that "different things should do different things", so I would prefer if physical and special attacks had different inherent pros and cons, rather than having largely interchangeable strategies), but I'm willing to roll with it.

I don't particularly like the idea of Drowsy replacing Sleep, though. Sleep is already pretty balanced by virtue of how it has a maximum duration, only a few moves can inflict it, the fact those moves have methods of evading/blocking them, and that those moves do nothing other than inflict Sleep. Every other status has a large number of moves that inflict damage and have a chance to status, but if you want to inflict Sleep, you're forced to go all-in on that turn. Or roll the dice with Effect Spore, I guess, which is not very reliable and requires you to get hit first.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#188900: Feb 1st 2022 at 7:19:02 AM

Statistics show that Freeze is inferior to Sleep in any case.


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