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Matrix Since: Jan, 2001
#26: Nov 21st 2009 at 12:56:09 AM

Also, if I was able to get my DS on the internet, I'd have a Scizor.

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#27: Nov 21st 2009 at 12:57:17 AM

Isn't a Technician Schyther still viable?

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#28: Nov 21st 2009 at 1:05:13 AM

I dunno, and I don't care, because Scizor is awesome ^.^

I really love the Steel-type.

The whole thing with it being a defensive powerhouse while still being able to dish out at least decent damage appeals to me.

Of course, Swampert will always be my favourite Pokemon when it comes to stats, and Skitty my most favouritest of them all! Eeee! Who's a cute widdle Skitty!

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#29: Nov 21st 2009 at 1:08:21 AM

Technician Scyther is awesome. The one I have in Platinum does double duty with Aerial Ace and the Thief/False Swipe combo, AA for pvp action and Thief to filch wild held items, while FS is for softening up wild captures. Quick Attack rounds out the package, shame it doesn't STAB like Bullet Punch does for Scizor.

edited 21st Nov '09 1:08:57 AM by AceOfScarabs

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#30: Nov 21st 2009 at 1:11:52 AM

Oh, Bullet Punch and Scizor...

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#31: Nov 21st 2009 at 1:14:46 AM

Yeah, Scizor's pretty ridiculous. Last I checked Smogon had him at, like, the 8th most-used Pokémon in ubers, making him better than, oh, Deoxys or Giratina or Ho-oh.

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#32: Nov 21st 2009 at 1:17:52 AM

A good Water/Fire pokemon in 5th gen will make a nice countermeasure to Scizor.

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#33: Nov 21st 2009 at 1:23:24 AM

I think any bulky Fire would do the job, but the presence of Stealth Rock makes it tough for them to come in - which brings us to another problem in 4th gen's balance.

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#34: Nov 21st 2009 at 1:34:47 AM

Oh, if only Defog pushed entry hazards over to your opponent's side!

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#35: Nov 21st 2009 at 1:35:36 AM

But alas, it is le shit.

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#36: Nov 21st 2009 at 1:57:29 AM

If you have to have a team of Eeveelutions, leave Glaceon out. Each other Eeveelution covers the major types and Vaporeon can use Ice Moves.

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#37: Nov 21st 2009 at 3:06:00 AM

As I said earlier...

There are only two OU fire types, and one is a legendary.

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#38: Nov 21st 2009 at 5:10:20 AM

-*grumble*

Okay, are there any tips out there for catching that miserable roaming Moltres in Platinum? I've burned hours and hundreds of Ultra, Dusk, and Timer Balls trying to catch the bloody thing (usual maneuver is leading with a level 57 Haunter, Mean Look, Hypnosis, knock HP down, spam Balls of whatever type, repeat Hypnosis as needed)

The worst part is that I only really want the amazing self-barbequing poultry for the dex entry -_-;

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#39: Nov 21st 2009 at 6:01:25 AM

Cheese method: play a quick run through the GBA pokemon games until you acquire a Master Ball from the Aqua hideout or from the Silph president, and use the Pal Park to import it on a pokemon. Alternately, catch Moltres on Sevii Island 1 and import with Pal Park.

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#40: Nov 21st 2009 at 6:04:38 AM

... okay, maybe I should have clarified- I came to the franchise late... very, very late, in point of fact, as the only Pokemon game I own is Platinum- only handheld I've ever actually owned is a DS Lite, which I picked up for a loooong plane ride, and grabbed Platinum mostly out of curiousity.

So cheesing a Master Ball isn't really an option, sadly sad

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#41: Nov 21st 2009 at 6:18:12 AM

Before you trap it, get someone fast to reduce Moltres to 1 hp with False Swipe (read: Scyther).

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#42: Nov 21st 2009 at 6:59:23 AM

So apparently Red and Yellow used save file formats that were very similar, but not quite the same. I once tried taking Yellow save files and using a hardware thing to load them onto my Red cartridge, and when it didn't put me in an infinite field of glitch, eternally talking to a guy who spoke in nonsense characters, I had all the same Pokemon.

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#43: Nov 21st 2009 at 7:01:26 AM

Problem is, the bugger runs the second I switch out the Haunter that hit it with Mean Look, and Haunter can't learn False Swipe- neither can anything else that gets Mean Look >.<

After a quick check, unless I missed something, nothing that can learn False Swipe can learn a runaway-prevention move.

EDIT- also, none of the Mean Look-ers can learn Baton Pass :/

edited 21st Nov '09 7:02:50 AM by TeChameleon

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#44: Nov 21st 2009 at 7:36:24 AM

Smeargle can, I guess?

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#45: Nov 21st 2009 at 7:59:21 AM

Lol Umbreon. Trap-passing is its forte.

Breloom learns Spore and can be bred False Swipe.

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#46: Nov 21st 2009 at 8:19:59 AM

Er... Umbreon can't learn Baton Pass.

And Status Effects don't prevent the stupid thing from running, as I discovered when I put it to sleep and it ran away anyways -_-;

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#47: Nov 21st 2009 at 8:22:55 AM

Yes it can.

I recommend Vaporeon, by the way.

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#48: Nov 21st 2009 at 8:38:00 AM

In HGSS I have a low-hp frozen Raikou running around Johto at the moment.

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#49: Nov 21st 2009 at 8:49:01 AM

Huh. Ooookay- according to pretty much all the sites I checked other than Smogon's, Baton Pass isn't listed in Umbreon's moveset.

So how does Umbreon get Baton Pass, then?

... and do I care enough about the bloody Pokedex entry to do a sodding happiness evolution and then level the thing up? I hate happiness evolutions, they always take forever >.<

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#50: Nov 21st 2009 at 8:55:01 AM

Eevee learns Baton Pass at level 36, according to Serebii.

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