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So Why Does Everyone Hate Ben 10: Alien Force?

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ManwiththePlan Since: Dec, 2009
#76: Dec 13th 2011 at 8:22:44 AM

[up] I think it was an executive choice...but I really have no idea. It's a shame, though, after seeing how great the developments in Generator Rex have been, I really wish MOA had kept Ben 10.

edited 14th Dec '11 7:24:10 AM by ManwiththePlan

KingNerd Can-I-Bus from Suburbia. Since: Dec, 1969
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#77: Dec 31st 2011 at 10:11:31 AM

Though I am probally a tad younger than the rest of you I can say the original Ben10 was really good, it hadgreat Aliens and even greater Villans,the plot's were clever and unique with Max being unmatachably awesome.

While Alien Force did have some good story arc's and villans (The Dnaliens, the Highbreed, Albedo) Dwayne pretty much destroyed previous characters personality since (Ben became a generic Hero, Gwen lost her sass and became The Chick, Kevin became a Jerk Jock Anti-Hero with less creative power use, Vilgax became a Lawful Evil squid man with no deph) and while Ben, Gwen and Kevin's changes could have worked if they were shown onscreen the problem is they wern't they just happend.

edited 31st Dec '11 10:12:23 AM by KingNerd

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Slicer37 Since: Dec, 2010
#78: Jan 1st 2012 at 5:26:49 PM

Because in Alien Force, everyone is OOC, and it tries way to hard to be "edgy" and "anime like". It's like Loony Tunes Unleased with aliens.

Envyus Since: Jun, 2011
#79: Jan 1st 2012 at 11:29:18 PM

Uleashed also loonitics had Aliens.

Esteban009 Bitter Hateful Cynic from Practically Atlantis Since: Jan, 2010
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#80: Jan 2nd 2012 at 3:17:12 AM

I don't hate the latest version of Ben 10, but I don't like it either. It wouldn't be that bad if it was an all original show, but it isn't.

- The aliens seem a bit derivative, I liked the original set up where Ben couldn't really control the omnitrix and wanted to become one alien but turned into another. It played into the whole "not what you want, but what you need"-thing that contrasted with Ben's childlike reasoning.

- The villains aren't really engaging, we keep getting second stringers who are working for others. There seems to be someone higher up every time they manage to defeat someone.

- Why was Vilgax a giant head in an aquarium?

- Kevin is pretty much useless. He's not the same character as the original, but with his new powers, he's pretty much canon fodder. An extra body to use when it's convenient.

- Gwen isn't the same person she was in the original. From her personality to her powers, it's just not Gwen.

- Ben stopped being fun, now he's an arrogant little jerk, but nobody stands up to him proper. It used to be Gwen when she was still a badass normal, but these days, nobody really stands up to him. Seriously, Julie was pretty cool, but she got screwed over and nobody seemed to care about her.

- Too many tangents. I keep getting the impression that there are only loose ends in this new version. Nothing gets resolved, not really.

edited 2nd Jan '12 3:18:06 AM by Esteban009

KingNerd Can-I-Bus from Suburbia. Since: Dec, 1969
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#81: Jan 2nd 2012 at 3:31:26 AM

[up] Honestly I don't think anyone would have minded Ben, Gwen and Kevin changeing into there Alien Force personalitys if it had actually happend on screen instead just over a timeskip.

I didn't mind the changes when I first watched season one of AF because I thought they where going to be explained fairly quickly but the only personality change explained was Kevin's and that didn't happen till "Ultimate Alien".

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Flyboy Decemberist from the United States Since: Dec, 2011
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#82: Jan 2nd 2012 at 10:47:23 AM

Meh. I didn't think much of Ben 10, but it was reasonably diverting and entertaining in its own right.

As said before in the thread, though, AF is very obviously intended to get the Teen Titan/Avatar: TLA crowd in there. Problem is, both of the shows it's attempting to mimic were absurdly awesome. It's... not really that awesome, and it manages to screw up a lot of the stuff from the original show that was fine, otherwise...

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ManwiththePlan Since: Dec, 2009
#83: Jan 3rd 2012 at 8:34:36 AM

with Max being unmatachably awesome.

True that! cool

Honestly I don't think anyone would have minded Ben, Gwen and Kevin changeing into there Alien Force personalitys if it had actually happend on screen instead just over a timeskip.

Exactly. Especially with Kevin; if he was going to change that drastically, then a proper character arc was needed to get there, rather than the crap that was actually pulled (UA's Author's Saving Throw was ridiculously late.)

edited 3rd Jan '12 8:39:06 AM by ManwiththePlan

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