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Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
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#16251: Mar 15th 2017 at 7:26:28 PM

...I wonder if there are any pictures out there of how much quadcopter was left identifiable after the hit.

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Imca (Veteran)
#16252: Mar 16th 2017 at 12:38:36 AM

Its hard to get pictures of nothing. >.>

MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#16253: Mar 16th 2017 at 4:45:40 AM

"I found a crumb with a serial number on it!" [lol]

AFP Since: Mar, 2010
#16254: Mar 16th 2017 at 5:04:01 AM

Just find where the Patriot landed and scrape what's left of the drone off of the nosecone.

Seriously though, that's the funniest thing I've read yet today.

TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#16255: Mar 16th 2017 at 1:06:22 PM

Re: the Patriot/quadcopter interface. Remember maxim 37: There is no 'overkill.' There is only 'open fire' and 'I need to reload'. [lol]

pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#16256: Mar 16th 2017 at 2:31:59 PM

A Mach-2 missile with a 200 pound warhead against a quadcopter drone? Yeah, no. Nothing left to see here...

"I got you, and your motherboard, sucker!"

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TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Night Clerk of the Apocalypse
#16257: Mar 16th 2017 at 3:59:28 PM

You might find relatively small fragments a few thousand yards away.

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AFP Since: Mar, 2010
#16258: Mar 16th 2017 at 4:56:25 PM

Like hitting a cue ball with a blown piston.

TairaMai rollin' on dubs from El Paso Tx Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Mu
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#16259: Mar 17th 2017 at 6:45:24 PM

A PAC-2 is like a giant shotgun shell: 100-200 steel cubes flying at mach 2+ vs. some POS "drone"... yeah we're gonna need a sifter...

I tried to walk like an Egyptian and now I need to see a Cairo practor....
MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#16260: Mar 18th 2017 at 8:25:11 AM

Speaking of blasting cheap drones with expensive hardware...

The Army Will Finally Be Able To Blast Drones With Lasers Soon.

We don't need no stinking jammers that won't last long term, or packing Stinger missiles to deal with airborne threats the size of a briefcase, soon we can just roll a truck along with us and zap those fuckers with Frickin' Laser Beams.

I wonder if it works on rockets, mortars and other things too. Or if it could soon be scaled to do that. C-RAM replacement?

EDIT:

Incidentally, this made the Command & Conquer: Generals parallels pop up again. If ISIS is the GLA, that means we're rolling out the Zero Hour expansion stuff and now packing Anti-Air laser trucks.

edited 18th Mar '17 8:26:38 AM by MajorTom

TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#16261: Mar 18th 2017 at 8:56:08 AM

Tom: Yes because we weren't already shooting down relatively low velocity drones with lasers before. Such a huge leap ahead in anti-drone warfare. Still requires a large truck to mount.

However the jammers come in man portable and vehicle mounted versions needing nothing bigger than an HUMVEE to mount and operate and are broadly effective. They are also significantly safer, easier, and cheaper to operate than even the laser. They are also field tested.

As for the missiles the stinger is at most an interim solution as the steadily growing number of cheap guided miniaturized missiles can do the same job just as effectively and do so in conditions that a laser would struggle with such as a too much humidity in the air. That isn't counting the slowly steady march of increasingly smaller guided gun fired projectiles including the recent drive to develop guided rounds for auto-cannon caliber weapons.

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TairaMai rollin' on dubs from El Paso Tx Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Mu
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#16262: Mar 18th 2017 at 2:04:57 PM

'80s flashback: Boeing soups up old Avenger for short-range air defense gap

HUNTSVILLE, Ala. – Boeing has modernized its 1980s-era Avenger air defense system to answer the Army’s call to fill its Short-range Air Defense gap within the maneuver force.

The Avenger first came off the production line at Boeing in 1987 and is known for defending the National Capitol Region.

Boeing is looking to address all of those threats by outfitting Avenger like a multi-mission launcher. The company brought its concept to the Association of the U.S. Army’s Global Force Symposium with AIM 9X Sidewinder missiles on one side and Hellfire Longbow missiles on the other and affixed to the top is a directed energy laser system.

And I got to meet adn E-7 who was working with the Dept. of the Army just as the War On Terror kicked off. The Avenger is two 4-shot Stinger launchers mounted on the back of a HMMWV. With the center console, the Avenger looks like the ED-209's retard cousin.

The ADA branch was so fixed on SHORAD that an Avenger fitted with anything other than Stingers was shot down. Then Rumsfeld and co. made the focus on other things and the Avenger was withdrawn. Several Avenger battalions were turned into PATRIOT or AMD ones (3-4 ADA, 1-62 ADA, 1-44 ADA). And AMD battalion is mostly PATRIOT with one AVENGER battery. E battery 2-43 stood down back in 2014.

This might make AVENGER relevant again. If the Mulit-mission Launcher or Land based PHALANX doesn't beat them to it.

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TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#16263: Mar 18th 2017 at 2:15:02 PM

Very neat. Sidewinder, Javelin, Stinger, and Hellfire missiles all off the same platform. I wonder how it would stack up to the MML?

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MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#16264: Mar 18th 2017 at 5:30:48 PM

Sidewinder, Javelin, Stinger, and Hellfire missiles all off the same platform.

Wouldn't about half of those be unnecessary? Sidewinder and Stinger are more or less interchangeable. (Both IR-guided short range missiles.) Likewise Hellfire vs Javelin.

AFP Since: Mar, 2010
#16265: Mar 18th 2017 at 7:12:37 PM

Maybe it just depends on what you've got in stock to load up on it?

TairaMai rollin' on dubs from El Paso Tx Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Mu
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#16266: Mar 18th 2017 at 7:33:40 PM

Stingers are good for choppers or drones (cost effective) Sidewinders are good for cruise missiles and fast movers (fighters, attackers, bombers).

Stingers are also cheaper for nations like South Korea, that would need to mount avengers on trucks and fixed platforms. If you have to get a lot of them, need a missile to arm them.

edited 18th Mar '17 7:34:31 PM by TairaMai

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TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#16267: Mar 19th 2017 at 1:21:15 AM

The Stinger is quite a bit different from the Sidewinder. While they are both IR missiles that is pretty much where the similarity ends. The Sidewinder is a larger missile for starters and it uses a more sophisticated and complex IR array. It has a more powerful rocket motor which gives it both more range and speed and it is packing a notably more powerful warhead. It is also made to work better with the latest Gen missile systems. Really the AIM-9X has come a lot further than the Stinger has.

edited 19th Mar '17 11:48:10 AM by TuefelHundenIV

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TairaMai rollin' on dubs from El Paso Tx Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Mu
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#16269: Mar 19th 2017 at 2:07:19 PM

Stingers can see in UV and IR, but again, it's a slower missile than the Sidewinder and cheaper since nations like South Korea have a lot of them from The '80s.

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TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#16270: Mar 19th 2017 at 2:09:30 PM

And the Russians have been playing with them ever since they captured some from the Muj back when they were the ones in the shit in Afghanistan. I don't know how much influence the Stinger had on their own SAM program but I doubt that it didn't have any.

AFP Since: Mar, 2010
#16271: Mar 19th 2017 at 6:09:32 PM

The Stinger is to the Sidewinder what an M1911 is to an M16. Hardly harmless, but far less capable, and not really intended to be anything other than something to use when you don't have something better.

Nobody is going to seriously threaten another nation's air dominance by handing out Stingers, but they are going to do a lot to give individual pilots second thoughts about strolling in with their dicks out.

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
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#16272: Mar 19th 2017 at 7:28:53 PM

Well, the soviets and now the Turks, learned the hard way that flying helicopters on areas with widespread use of MANPADS is going to end well.

Stingers may have a lot of issues dealing with fighters and bombers, but low flying attacker planes and helicopters? Deadly as hell.

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TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
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#16273: Mar 20th 2017 at 7:06:53 PM

DARPA has tapped Dynetics and General Atomics for Phase II of the Gremlin UAS program. The program is aiming to create air launchable and recoverable UAS craft The aircraft are basically acting as reusable scout platforms.

edited 22nd Mar '17 12:10:09 PM by TuefelHundenIV

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Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
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#16274: Mar 22nd 2017 at 10:36:50 AM

UK-based airlines are being advised to move their headquarters to inside the EU after Brexit on pain of losing rights to fly major routes on the continent.

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AFP Since: Mar, 2010
#16275: Mar 24th 2017 at 5:58:49 AM

I mean, on the surface, it seems reasonable enough. Why should the EU offer preferential treatment to foreign airlines?


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