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MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#14101: Mar 28th 2016 at 6:02:20 AM

Now I've got to give Arrse credit. Type in "F-35" in their search and it redirects you to the infantry forums.

Resounding show of faith eh?

AFP Since: Mar, 2010
#14102: Mar 28th 2016 at 7:22:38 AM

I think the Japanese are doing alright. I mean, in the entire 20th century, they've only lost one war, and won several. [lol]

Imca (Veteran)
#14103: Mar 28th 2016 at 10:42:14 AM

Dude, our assault rifle has not replaced the better one it was supposed to replace 30 years ago because of a unit cost of 350,000yen.... on an AR-18 knockoff.

We got both the yanks and the brits beat.

edited 28th Mar '16 10:43:02 AM by Imca

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#14104: Mar 28th 2016 at 10:46:39 AM

I still have no idea how they can do that. You can't fuck up that badly by accident.

Oh really when?
AFP Since: Mar, 2010
#14105: Mar 28th 2016 at 10:48:29 AM

They seek to ensure peace by making the cost of war prohibitive?

TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#14106: Mar 28th 2016 at 10:49:29 AM

[up[up]]Oh, our AR-18 knockoff's way worse than yours.[lol] Don't take my word for it, take Mikhail Kalashnikov's. He took one look at our rifle and said "you must have very clever soldiers".

Imca (Veteran)
#14107: Mar 28th 2016 at 10:53:08 AM

[up][up] Nah, its just our contractors have realized they can write whatever they want on the price tag, do wahtever they want, and get away with it.

[up]Okay, then try this.

Our SMG has no stock, folding or otherwise.

Not because the military was too dumb to want one, but rather because the factory refused to produce one because it would require making another stamp.

290,000 yen a unit on that SMG.

edited 28th Mar '16 10:59:49 AM by Imca

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#14108: Mar 28th 2016 at 10:55:22 AM

Man, Japan really can't into small arms can it?

I mean, I thought things had improved a little since the war but god damn.

Oh really when?
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#14109: Mar 28th 2016 at 10:56:05 AM

...and if I remember correctly, the JSDF cannot place multi-year orders for equipment. Orders have to be placed in small quantities year-by-year.

Keep Rolling On
Imca (Veteran)
#14110: Mar 28th 2016 at 10:56:20 AM

[up][up] Man, Nambu made better guns then this, hell you yanks stole designs from our pistols after the war.

The issue was small caliber, not bad guns.

[up] They can, but it requires prior approval from the Diet.

edited 28th Mar '16 10:57:19 AM by Imca

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#14111: Mar 28th 2016 at 11:06:24 AM

The Nambu 94 and its tendency to discharge if handled wrong says hi.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
Imca (Veteran)
#14112: Mar 28th 2016 at 11:08:02 AM

[up] The Type 14 was the good one, weapons produced DURING the war were universaly shit.

If you got a gun from before the war, your good.

AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#14113: Mar 28th 2016 at 11:51:21 AM

Which becomes troublesome when you start bleeding personnel and materiel because you picked up a fight with an industrial Juggernaut with access to all the resources it needs.

Inter arma enim silent leges
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#14114: Mar 28th 2016 at 11:57:19 AM

[up] Then again, wartime versions of anything tend to be simpler than their peacetime counterparts.

Keep Rolling On
AngelusNox Warder of the damned from The guard of the gates of oblivion Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Married to the job
Warder of the damned
#14115: Mar 28th 2016 at 12:01:01 PM

[up]Simpler is one thing, more likely to kill you than the enemy is another.

Inter arma enim silent leges
pwiegle Cape Malleum Majorem from Nowhere Special Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#14116: Mar 28th 2016 at 1:34:00 PM

[up][up][up][up] Yeah, the Type 14 Nambu was the one Bill Ruger copied, turned into a .22 target pistol, and sold umpteen million units and still counting. (Which allowed his company to operate perpetually "in the black." Unlike most gunmakers, Ruger has never filed for bankruptcy, because they always re-invest their earnings.)

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TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#14118: Mar 28th 2016 at 7:46:33 PM

No stock on a SMG? That's insane.

Expensive too from what you've said, Imca. And no-one went to jail for this? SHEEIITT!!

Imca (Veteran)
#14119: Mar 28th 2016 at 9:42:14 PM

[up] You should look up the cost of an F2 some time, and compare it to the cost of the F16 which it was based off.

Our entire procurement system is this nightmare.

._.;

edited 28th Mar '16 9:42:24 PM by Imca

TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Night Clerk of the Apocalypse
#14120: Mar 28th 2016 at 10:13:37 PM

-Goes to look at F-2- O_O Holy shit. 127 million US per unit. Though that cost seems to come from the composites used to reduce weight and radar return and a few fancier bells and whistles like more expensive radar. Even the Pigeon C is still cheaper.

edited 28th Mar '16 10:14:31 PM by TuefelHundenIV

Who watches the watchmen?
Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#14121: Mar 29th 2016 at 2:44:13 AM

Probably why the JASDF is buying 35As now instead.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
V
#14122: Mar 29th 2016 at 7:21:03 AM

[up] Buying/Assembling F-35As. Also, one of the F-35s service depots is to be in Japan, and haven't the Japanese got their own fighter in development?

Keep Rolling On
Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Night Clerk of the Apocalypse
#14124: Mar 29th 2016 at 12:20:52 PM

With how much the F-2 Cost them I would not want to see that craft's sticker price.

Who watches the watchmen?
TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Night Clerk of the Apocalypse
#14125: Mar 31st 2016 at 6:31:28 PM

US AF wants a microwave cruise missile that pulse multiple targets along a flight path It might not be enough to burn anything protected or hardened but everything else might get cooked.

Who watches the watchmen?

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