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Sep 18th 2019 at 10:11:59 AM

I suspect he knows what he's doing.

Sep 18th 2019 at 10:25:46 AM

Being good at shooting people doesnít make you a gunsmith. You wouldnít believe some of the dumb things soldiers try and do with their weapons.

For starters, cans get hot. Having your hand that close to it isnít ideal. Thereís also the issue of the grip, itís essentially attached directly to the barrel. Especially with the fact that a suppressor is screwed on, pulling on the front like that could warp the barrel or push the suppressor out of alignment. At worst that could destroy the suppressor or render the weapon inoperable. A baffle strike seems basically inevitable. Finally, all that weight on the front means that thing is going to be fairly difficult to shoot like a pistol, and since there doesnít appear to be a stock you canít even shoot it like a rifle either.

Edited by archonspeaks on Sep 18th 2019 at 10:32:27 AM

Sep 18th 2019 at 10:32:36 AM

Maybe it works for the guys shooting people with it. Who knows?

Sep 18th 2019 at 10:44:18 AM

And using your rifle as a pry bar works for the guys trying to open a crate, that doesnít mean itís good for the rifle.

Having a grip on your suppressor like that is a surefire way to destroy the suppressor. Pun intended. Baffle strikes are no joke.

Edited by archonspeaks on Sep 18th 2019 at 10:44:53 AM

Sep 18th 2019 at 10:48:09 AM

It's all about #hobotactical these days.

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Sep 18th 2019 at 1:38:01 PM

"Thereís also the issue of the grip, itís essentially attached directly to the barrel."

Are you sure, from the video it looked more like it was part of the stock assembly.

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Sep 18th 2019 at 1:42:31 PM

[up][up] With the pictures Iíve seen coming out of the Ukraine Iím betting their armorers are pulling their hair out.

[up] That was in reference to the Stechkin, not the Flux M17.

Edited by archonspeaks on Sep 18th 2019 at 1:44:28 AM

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Sep 18th 2019 at 1:45:39 PM

Oh, got it. That flux actually looked pretty cool. I may have to give them to my protagonists.

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Sep 18th 2019 at 1:46:02 PM

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Sep 18th 2019 at 1:51:40 PM

[up][up] Personally, I think B&Tís Universal Service Weapon is the better iteration of that concept.

Itíd make a pretty cool weapon for futuristic law enforcement at least. Itís a little more compact, to the point where it could be carried in a more or less conventional duty holster, and the stock folds away in a way that still allows it to be used like a conventional pistol. IIRC itís actually specifically designed for police reacting to terrorist situations who might suddenly need to transition from a more daily use-appropriate handgun to a shoulder fired weapon.

Edited by archonspeaks on Sep 18th 2019 at 1:53:25 AM

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Sep 18th 2019 at 2:43:31 PM

Regarding dRoy's one Skippy's list post earlier, this stuck out to me:

"You are not allowed to dress up as a French maid while cleaning barracks"

FUCK, I wish we'd heard that one back in '13 or '14; I know a guy from my platoon who not only would have done it, but done it sans underwear and did the whole "oops!" bending over bit LOL.

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Sep 19th 2019 at 1:05:32 AM

Anyone got a pointer on the personnel number and distribution for a BCT support battalion?

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Sep 19th 2019 at 4:30:07 AM

Going back to recruiting numbers, the Army made their recruiting goals, evidently thanks to crushing student debt.

As a rule, the recruiters do quite well when there are economic troubles. Steady paycheck and all that.

Edited by AFP on Sep 19th 2019 at 5:30:31 AM

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Sep 19th 2019 at 9:57:25 AM

Does the concept of kinetic bombardment as presented in real-life proposals (which are estimated to be roughly on par with small tactical nukes) count as a form of WMD, and thus banned by the Outer Space Treaty?

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Sep 19th 2019 at 10:14:30 AM

"B&Tís Universal Service Weapon"

Neat, although, to me, the point of a pdw or smg is to achieve better penetration and range than a more normal service pistol. The ideal of a sidearm that can equal a rifle's performance while providing a pistol's ease and convenience of carry will never be acheived, the attempt to come as close as practical results in some interesting designs.

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Sep 19th 2019 at 10:23:01 AM

[up][up] Kinetic bombardment falls into the category of ďconventional weaponsĒ so itís good to go in orbit.

[up] You get a lot of benefits from shouldering a weapon. Better accuracy and more range, better recoil control for rapid fire or quick follow up shots, things of that nature.

Donít forget that the most popular subguns for police are all in pistol calibers.

The USW concept is extremely solid, it just hasnít caught on anywhere yet. Itís pretty new.

Edited by archonspeaks on Sep 19th 2019 at 10:31:34 AM

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Sep 19th 2019 at 10:54:03 AM

Looks like the next step after something like the MP 9 which is already excellent.

I don't think it's quite on par with something proper like an MP 5 but I suppose that's not really the point.

Oh really when?
Sep 19th 2019 at 11:05:21 AM

Is it, though? Itís a 9mm with a 4.4 inch barrel, thatís pretty similar to police-issue submachine guns.

Itís basically a handgun that can deploy into an MP5 on the fly. Thatís an attractive capability for law enforcement.

The big thing is that unlike an MP9 itís something thatís still effective for normal police work when itís folded up.

Edited by archonspeaks on Sep 19th 2019 at 11:10:07 AM

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Sep 19th 2019 at 11:13:14 AM

I mean the full sized MP 5 with the 8.9 inch barrel.

I'd definitely take this over one of the cute little MP 5 K models even though they're pretty neat.

Oh really when?
Sep 19th 2019 at 11:25:33 AM

[up] As you can see here [1] going from 4 inches to 8 inches isnít exactly a massive change in velocity or muzzle energy.

With the USW youíre more or less giving every patrol officer the ability to carry a handgun and a subgun everywhere they go, in one compact package.

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Sep 19th 2019 at 11:31:02 AM

What about in terms of dispersion and holding that velocity at a distance?

Oh really when?
Sep 19th 2019 at 11:39:17 AM

Barrel length only really affects velocity. Itís not going to change your groups.

Edited by archonspeaks on Sep 19th 2019 at 11:54:41 AM

Sep 19th 2019 at 2:54:49 PM

Barrel length does indeed affect your grouping, though with diminishing returns.

At those short length it is extra inportant.

Sep 19th 2019 at 3:21:42 PM

[up] Thatís not really accurate at all.

Barrel length only affects velocity, a shorter barrel isnít going to magically throw rounds off center. Velocity does affect accuracy through the bulletís behavior in the air, but when weíre talking about something like a submachine gun that generally has a very short barrel and is meant to be used at close ranges itís not really going to make a difference. The difference between a 4 inch and 8 inch barrel at close range is going to be negligible, weíre not talking about long range shooting here.

Imagine you have two otherwise identical guns, one with a 4 inch barrel and one with an 8 inch one. The 8 inch barrel will have more velocity so the bullet will fly on a flatter trajectory, but until the bullets have flown far enough for that to start mattering thereís not really any difference.

Hereís an interesting article on the topic. [1] Theyíre looking at precision rifles there, but the core concepts are the same.

Edited by archonspeaks on Sep 19th 2019 at 3:28:08 AM


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