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Vampireandthen In love with an Uptown Girl from Northern Ireland Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: A teenager in love
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#48151: Sep 1st 2016 at 7:45:15 AM

There is a different thread? For what? I assumed we would discuss hypothetical wars and other such scenarios here. Maybe even do a war game simulation.

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#48152: Sep 1st 2016 at 8:05:44 AM

No, I posted something in here that was meant to go somewhere else.

"Yup. That tasted purple."
Vampireandthen In love with an Uptown Girl from Northern Ireland Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: A teenager in love
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#48153: Sep 1st 2016 at 9:08:05 AM

I see.

Is it possible to do a war game simulation? It could be from any time period.

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Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
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#48154: Sep 1st 2016 at 9:41:12 AM

Go buy the Wargame games, I suppose? Short of watching a RAND simulation you're not going to see any on the Internet that don't rapidly devolve into nationalistic chest thumping.

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FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#48155: Sep 1st 2016 at 9:41:23 AM

India is nothing to fear about. Worst crisis the US would get with them, militarily speaking, is probably New Delhi kicking the US-UK out of Diego Garcia and the Chagos in general. And thats the worst case scenario that doesn't involve fairy tales.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#48156: Sep 1st 2016 at 10:11:57 AM

If anything India will partner with the US and the Far East to contain China.

Hey, New Delhi will almost certainly be a more reliable ally then Islamabad.

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SabresEdge Show an affirming flame from a defense-in-depth Since: Oct, 2010
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#48157: Sep 1st 2016 at 11:02:58 AM

Wargame sims: depends on the era. The Wargame series strikes a fun balance between realism and gameplay, Steel Panthers is free and has a heavy focus on realism, if you can stand the bare-bones UI, and there are tons of "grognard" games at almost any level of command, any realism level, any era, from individual/squad/platoon to grand strategic.

On the Let's Play Archive, look for War in the East and War in the Pacific for two of the most extreme examples. Grand-strategic, theatre-level command of either the entire Eastern Front or the whole Pacific War, day by day. That's Matrix Games for you.

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FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#48158: Sep 1st 2016 at 11:11:58 AM

[up][up]They are doing exactly that with the recent logistics agreement. I was just giving a totally unlikely scenario for effect.

dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#48159: Sep 2nd 2016 at 12:54:08 AM

Man, I missed something big.

By all means. Go on about how topics of public conversation and debate inevitably foreshadow the fall of a country. Or maybe realize the closest thing you had to an argument broke down by your own admission and goddamn well make an actual logical argument backing up your statement that social change you don't like will lead to China winning in the SCS.

As for your little story about how they don't make men like that anymore, yes they do, you can probably find a few in this thread, th lack of them at your high school doesn't mean they don't exist.

Hell if you honestly feel there's a lack of men like that in the world then become one, fill the void you see with your own deeds.

Oh and don't take time off the forum, by the sound of it we may be the only people in your life who aren't either middle aged depressives or 15 year old trolls

Seriously, Jack, you don't have to disconnect, you need to take a deep breath and think. Don't regurgitate inane platitudes Breitbart etc. are telling you "Tumblrinas actually believe". A flag, an anthem, they aren't worth as much as the principles a nation was founded on. The people telling you that they are one and the same are misinformed or seek to misinform.

Oh God, these are almost cathartic. [tup]

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#48160: Sep 2nd 2016 at 2:03:55 PM

Member of UK armed forces charged with Northern Ireland-related terrorism offences

A serving member of the British armed forces was charged with terrorism offences on Friday in connection with Northern Ireland, London's Metropolitan Police said.

[Royal Marine] Ciaran Maxwell, 30, was arrested in Somerset, southwest England, last month.

He is charged with making and storing explosives linked to the preparation of an act of terrorism and was appearing at Westminster Magistrates Court in London later on Friday.

Maxwell, of Exminster, Devon, was also charged with fraud and possession of cannabis.

Police said related property searches in Exminster were now complete but those at a wooded area in Devon would continue into next week.

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#48161: Sep 2nd 2016 at 3:46:02 PM

Heard a bit of this on the radio this morning. Lacking any other details, I'm betting he's Catholic.

(It's cool, I'm Catholic too)

Vampireandthen In love with an Uptown Girl from Northern Ireland Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: A teenager in love
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#48162: Sep 3rd 2016 at 3:22:19 AM

I wouldn't mind if the MRF would be charged for once.

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TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#48163: Sep 3rd 2016 at 5:20:02 AM

Chinese Militarization Spurs Resistance and Buildups Across Disputed Asian Waters

A look at what has been going on since the Hague ruling. To be short, plenty of military maneuvers and military equipment loans/purchases.

As an addition to the Chinese military topic, it's explicitly the lack of military power which has made the Chinese embrace the Three Warfares so strongly. So far, restraint is what has prevented direct conflict and enabled the use of such "grey zone" tactics. A stupid mistake or accident has the chance of triggering a pretty deep crisis in the area. However, the sooner it happens the easier it will be to extinguish, as China still hasn't got the naval power to make up the difference in naval power or properly apply an A2/AD access strategy.

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TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#48164: Sep 3rd 2016 at 7:43:28 AM

The Chinese as a whole, needs more combat experience, tbh. Fighting off pirates near the African coast doesn't really cut it.

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dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#48165: Sep 3rd 2016 at 9:04:54 AM

You know, how many countries have as much diverse combat experience as US?

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#48166: Sep 3rd 2016 at 9:08:37 AM

Some of the bigger NATO names like England and France have had people running around the Middle East and Africa doing work. The Russians have gotten their practice in between Georgia, Ukraine, and Syria.

Oh really when?
TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#48167: Sep 3rd 2016 at 9:10:32 AM

Yup. Syria right now is pretty much a training ground for the Russian's new toys.

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#48168: Sep 3rd 2016 at 10:05:54 AM

China does not have a senior NCO corps or Field Grade officers to school their junior leaders or new soldiers. Without the "tribal knowledge" to guide new platoon/section leaders, they will be borked when the bullets fly.

What saved the US Army and Marines after Vietnam? Junior officers and NCO's became senior leaders who passed on what worked and what didn't work even as conditions in the post-Vietnam military really sucked. The Air Force and Navy formed aggressor squadrons to train their pilots and spent money on ECM and stealth so that they had good pilots and not throw good money after bad training.

China? They are good at parades, awarding them selves shiny medals and scaring the sh_t out of fishing boats, but how does their NCO corps and junior officers fare when there's incoming fire?

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#48169: Sep 3rd 2016 at 10:11:10 AM

Pretty poor. I remember Tuefel sharing a story of how the Chinese lost an entire fucking armored battalion to a pair of helicopters during a wargame not too long ago.

edited 3rd Sep '16 10:11:25 AM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
TairaMai rollin' on dubs from El Paso Tx Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Mu
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#48170: Sep 3rd 2016 at 10:19:45 AM

"Train like you fight and fight like you train": the reason most US and Western militaries do wargames is "The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in combat". Desert Storm was fought dozens of times at the US National Training Center in For Irwin California. In PATRIOT, we did air battles until we hated being in the van but man did crews get gud.

China has no NTC, no training corps, a weak NCO corps. NCO's don't just make privates clean and do pushups, they also train junior officers. Most commie/tinpot militaries view ranks as a strict caste: Officers at the top, privates at the bottom and junior NCO's are overpaid privates. Case in point: the Russians have their jet engine mechanics all be officers because they would never trust a jet engine to a private.

The US? It's common to see million dollar weapon systems being worked on by some gal/guy fresh out of AIT/Tech school at about 17-23 years old. Supervised by NCO's and junior enlisted with more experience, but we make sure that noob learns the job.

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#48171: Sep 3rd 2016 at 10:24:20 AM

That said, the inevitable caveat: China has the capability to change that, if it was willing, and most commentary out of the Chinese armed forces emphasize the importance of switching to a leaner, more technological army, instead of the old-style conscript army. It's been a quarter-century since Desert Storm, after all. Whether the reforming tendencies can overcome bureaucratic inertia is an open question, but they are there.

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#48172: Sep 3rd 2016 at 10:34:46 AM

From what I recall reading, morale and resiliency are pretty major issues for PLA troops. Stuff like having to cancel planned week-long exercises due to the troops not being able to handle it.

They can fix it, but it won't be overnight. Figure it takes about 20 years to teach an army a whole new set of habits (long enough for the green privates and lieutenants to all take up fishing and bingo in old age). For all we know, they're doing that right now but just haven't gotten there yet.

How long did it take the Vietnam-era US military to become the Desert Storm-era US military?

TacticalFox88 from USA Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
#48173: Sep 3rd 2016 at 10:38:50 AM

[up] Well 'Nam ended in '75, Storm started it '91, so I'd reckon around 15 years or so

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#48174: Sep 3rd 2016 at 10:41:08 AM

The exercise was a company of tanks something 10-14 tanks got swatted by two attack helicopters with ATGM's. Reportedly they started working on stopping that from happening again.

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#48175: Sep 3rd 2016 at 10:47:06 AM

Was the solution to bring their own attack helicopters to engage in wicked helicopter vs helicopter dogfights in the canyons?


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