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storyyeller More like giant cherries from Appleloosa Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
More like giant cherries
Aug 9th 2019 at 11:02:28 PM

I think it's also largely a matter of sterotyping and exaggeration. Yahtzee is famous for his unusually critical reviews, which is easy to turn into "he hates everything"

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deludedmusings Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Aug 9th 2019 at 11:57:10 PM

[up][up] He's very anti-pc (political correctness), that's for sure. He can be hard to watch when he gets into ranting about that.

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razorrozar7 I think you're just mad 'cause you're single. from Oregon Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
I think you're just mad 'cause you're single.
Aug 10th 2019 at 1:00:37 AM

yahtzee is staunchly anti-Trump, for what that's worth, and he has just as little patience as Jim for the unchecked capitalism that's destroyed AAA games.

I'm Chloe. I fix things. Only you can prevent ZCEs.
M84 Such heroic nonsense from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Such heroic nonsense
Aug 10th 2019 at 1:11:03 AM

[up][up]Yeah, that's probably why I stick to watching more recent vids. For obvious reasons I steer clear of the vids that are dated a few years ago.

<sigh>...sometimes watching gaming Youtube vids feels like wading through a damned minefield. You always gotta be careful, otherwise you get blindsided by them saying something shockingly bigoted and/or totally clueless.

Edited by M84 on Aug 10th 2019 at 4:13:46 PM

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile
Aug 10th 2019 at 1:50:23 AM

I'm not quite as certain that he hasn't fallen into some of the more toxic parts of gaming culture.

For what's it worth, he's got no love for... certain parts of the gaming community, if his conversations with his friend Gabe in Let's Drown Out are anything to go by.

There's also a noticeable part of his fandom who doesn't seem to understand that a lot of Yahtzee's vitriol is him playing it up for comedic purposes - so you end up witha bunch toxic arseholes "emulating" him.

Despite his crass humour and his persona, the guy really seems to despise genuine jerks.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Aug 10th 2019 at 10:52:31 AM

"Satire is meant to ridicule power. If you are laughing at people who are hurting, it's not satire, it's bullying."
HailMuffins Muffiniac from Ceará, Brazil Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Muffiniac
Aug 10th 2019 at 3:17:32 AM

[up]x2 If I am to be frank, out of every troper I've ever talked with in the fora, you're the last one I've expected to ever see here.

THE MUFFIN IS THE WILL AND THE WAY AND IT WILL NOT BE DENIED.
M84 Such heroic nonsense from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Such heroic nonsense
Aug 10th 2019 at 3:18:35 AM

For me it was that RDR 2 vid where he made some remark about hogtying suffragettes that made go "Wait, what?"

For reference, here's the vid again. The comment is around the 4:26~4:28 mark.

It brought back bad memories of the time a Youtuber made a bunch of vids which had that one suffragette being killed brutally in multiple ways.

Edited by M84 on Aug 10th 2019 at 6:20:18 PM

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Aug 10th 2019 at 3:24:05 AM

I think Yahtzee's remark was intended as a reference to said vids (and a similar controversy over hogtying a nun) rather than an endorsement of them. Disturbing offhand comments like that are a staple of his humour, after all

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Muffiniac
Aug 10th 2019 at 3:29:01 AM

I mean it is something you can do in the game. It's like that time in the Wolfenstein: The New Order where he offhandly mentions that you van droen a Nazi in his own piss.

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M84 Such heroic nonsense from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Such heroic nonsense
Aug 10th 2019 at 3:30:12 AM

[up]Yeah, but "brutally killing a Nazi" and "brutally killing a suffragette"...not exactly equivalent.

...I remember when "brutally killing Nazis" in a videogame didn't used to garner outrage from people.

Edited by M84 on Aug 10th 2019 at 6:31:35 PM

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile
Aug 10th 2019 at 3:30:29 AM

Yeah, he often refereces (and mocks) some of the stuff other people did in the game. There was also his really old video about webcomics where he took at least one shot at Tim Buckley.

[up] I think it's more "This is something people do in this game for some weird reason". Killing Nazis is the point in Wolfenstein - hogtying or murdering random people in Red Dead Redemption's something you went out of your way to do.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Aug 10th 2019 at 12:32:16 PM

"Satire is meant to ridicule power. If you are laughing at people who are hurting, it's not satire, it's bullying."
Fighteer Geronimo! from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Geronimo!
Aug 10th 2019 at 5:57:05 AM

Okay, so... I don't think that Ben Croshaw, the human being, has any particular prejudice: racism, sexism, etc. He is scornful of political correctness, but in the Political Correctness Gone Mad sense. His reviews often say highly inappropriate things, but in a tone of mockery, not approval.

There are a few cringey bits in his older content, however, such as a whole bunch of videos in which he plays Have I Mentioned I Am Heterosexual Today? to a slightly worrying degree, but then his review of Tomodachi Life brutally lays into homophobia in game development.

He frequently criticizes female characters in games, but mainly when they are portrayed in ways that objectify them or stereotype them. On the other hand, he has made a lot of highly sexist jokes about games like The Sims turning men into girls or being targeted at lonely housewives, although that latter is actually true.

I think the most offensive thing he's ever said in a review is for 50 Cent: Blood on the Sand, where he elaborately avoids racial politics only to drop a truncated n-bomb at the very end. Despite this bit being blatantly tongue-in-cheek, The Escapist cut it out of its compilation video, so yeah.

Making offensive jokes is part of his shtick. You either appreciate them or you don't, but if you don't, Yahtzee would probably advise you to remove the broom handle from your digestive tract.

Edited by Fighteer on Aug 10th 2019 at 8:58:49 AM

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razorrozar7 I think you're just mad 'cause you're single. from Oregon Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
I think you're just mad 'cause you're single.
Aug 10th 2019 at 6:00:31 AM

yahtzee isn't afraid to say the n-word (as opposed to truncating it to "the N-word"), but other than that joke at the end of Blood in the Sand, the only times he's said it was when he was discussing or mocking other players' behavior in online games. ive never heard him use it as a slur.

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TheHeroHartmut Nerds nearly need needy nerdy nerds from a cave, according to my father Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
Nerds nearly need needy nerdy nerds
Aug 10th 2019 at 7:08:56 AM

He also covered how Mafia III played up racial slurs to a worrying degree, in the name of Deliberate Values Dissonance.

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Aug 10th 2019 at 7:33:24 AM

[up]Wasn't that the game where a black guy try to get revenge and become a mafia mob moss but all his accomplish is actually because his CIA friend set him up to success or something.

E.T technically is a Isekai movie
Fighteer Geronimo! from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Geronimo!
HailMuffins Muffiniac from Ceará, Brazil Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Muffiniac
Aug 10th 2019 at 9:25:13 AM

I remember it being his primary criticism of the story, as it ruined any underdog charm Lincoln could have, and without it there wasn't really much that made him sympathetic, him being just as murder crazy as anyone else.

THE MUFFIN IS THE WILL AND THE WAY AND IT WILL NOT BE DENIED.
M84 Such heroic nonsense from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Such heroic nonsense
Aug 10th 2019 at 9:27:37 AM

Mafia III's problem was that it was way too dark and bereft of any sympathetic characters. But maybe that was the point. "We are a cruel and wicked people" indeed.

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BattleRaizer from Realm of Khorne Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Aug 10th 2019 at 9:58:53 AM

I think it just try to be dark for the sake of dark. It's want to tackle the racism theme but without any nuance to it while the game full of racist stereotype. Kinda like David Cage Become Human.

E.T technically is a Isekai movie
razorrozar7 I think you're just mad 'cause you're single. from Oregon Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
I think you're just mad 'cause you're single.
Aug 10th 2019 at 10:13:45 AM

become human is interesting because it pulls all the right strings and is very good at manipulating the player, but falls apart under even the slightest scrutiny. if you turn your brain off while playing it, it's quite enjoyable.

also, Connor is an excellent character.

I'm Chloe. I fix things. Only you can prevent ZCEs.
M84 Such heroic nonsense from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Such heroic nonsense
Aug 10th 2019 at 10:15:04 AM

The "best" part about Become Human is The Reveal that the whole thing was essentially Planned Obsolescence.

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HailMuffins Muffiniac from Ceará, Brazil Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Muffiniac
Aug 10th 2019 at 1:50:43 PM

[up]x4 That's not a problem in and of itself, as George Martin once wisely put, "the audience will follow pretty reprehensible people as long as they're fascinating".

The problem is that, besides being little better than the other characters, Lincoln has basically everything he needs to win from the get go.

I'm sure you'll agree that people have a reflex for rooting for the underdog, and Lincoln's utter lack of any hardship makes it hard to give a shit about him.

Contrast, say, CJ, my favorite GTA protagonist: as with most Rockstar protagonists he's a pretty horrible person, but the single fact he's on the bottom of the pecking order makes it easy to root for him.

THE MUFFIN IS THE WILL AND THE WAY AND IT WILL NOT BE DENIED.
DrunkenNordmann from Exile
Aug 10th 2019 at 3:30:18 PM

[up] Honestly, my favourite take on a criminal protagonist has to be Saints Row 2 - because they're a psychopath and the game doesn't sugarcoat that you're doing reprehensible things, despite the occasional silliness.

"Satire is meant to ridicule power. If you are laughing at people who are hurting, it's not satire, it's bullying."
HailMuffins Muffiniac from Ceará, Brazil Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Muffiniac
Aug 13th 2019 at 9:18:07 AM

Yahtzee Croshaw, the Origin Story:

By far and away the best looking of the Dev Diaries' games he made thus far.

The part at the end is great advice for anyone working, or planning to work with a creative career, as well.

He might lack the people skills for it, but it strikes me that Yahtzee'd make a pretty damn good teacher.

THE MUFFIN IS THE WILL AND THE WAY AND IT WILL NOT BE DENIED.
Fighteer Geronimo! from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Geronimo!
Aug 13th 2019 at 9:38:08 AM

Yeah, this is a really good episode. Frankly, Yahtzee's ability to churn out creative content on such a pace is remarkable. I've done quite a bit of programming in my life, both for work and for my own private amusement, and I am supremely aware of the concept of momentum: a feeling that you are making progress toward a defined goal. I am also aware of the idea of losing momentum: a feeling that you are bogged down in complicated systems that have no clear purpose.

Sadly, I don't have a strategy for dealing with these feelings that is nearly as rigorous as Yahtzee's.

Edited by Fighteer on Aug 13th 2019 at 12:38:34 PM

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