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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#24951: Feb 18th 2017 at 11:21:55 AM

The first Funimation dub makes it really ambiguous as to whether he was wished back for some reason, a la 16, with people referring to him in the past tense and - iirc - one or two characters (Yamcha, I think) having lines that strongly implied he was still dead.

This resulted in a lot of people whose only look at the series was that version assuming he was never wished back. Then GT came along, and the dub for that fed into it by outright adding lines that suggested he died.

Granted, Abridged seems past the point of making random jokes about dub mistakes (the last one, iirc, was the Frieza one, and that one didn't make as much sense as their previous ones anyway). But it would be fun to see it thrown in why not. It has more potential for being a reference in the plot, rather than just a gag, than some of their earlier ones.

edited 18th Feb '17 11:32:23 AM by KnownUnknown

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#24952: Feb 18th 2017 at 12:21:48 PM

Kaiser also mentioned that Saitama and OPM characters would be too hard to edit in.

I'm curious what the reasoning is there from a technical standpoint.

They switched to CGI for Cell vs Sonic and Cell vs Street Fighter. They edited in scenes of Yugi into Dragonball.

But Saitama is too hard to edit in?

edited 18th Feb '17 1:01:56 PM by Soble

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#24953: Feb 18th 2017 at 12:58:24 PM

When I said "and yet" regarding Cell regenerating with more energy than ever, I was saying that in response to someone saying that Cell could be beaten by hurting him until he no longer had enough energy to regenerate. But this most extreme example of him regenerating resulted in him recovering his stamina and then some.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#24954: Feb 18th 2017 at 1:00:45 PM

Because that's how zenkais work. Before he was never actually close to death so he was using up energy to regenerate. But since his self-destruction actually almost did kill him, he came back with way more power than he original had, and certainly more than enough to offset the cost of regenerating. It's pretty simple.

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#24955: Feb 18th 2017 at 1:02:18 PM

Huh. Now that you mention it, that seems to indicate that if he does actually hit the limit of his capacity to regenerate, he might just get a Zenkai and be able to start regenerating again.

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#24956: Feb 18th 2017 at 1:28:52 PM

[up][up][up][up] Probably has something to do with the differences in quality for animation. Kenshiro, Yugi and Yusuke/Kuwabara are pretty easy to slot in because of how old their animation style is. Saitama comes from an anime with a lot more dynamic stuff to it, which would make editing him in harder, especially if they wanted him to punch Cell.

EchoingSilence Since: Jun, 2013
#24957: Feb 18th 2017 at 1:41:16 PM

I must also say Taka's voice for Cell giggling actually sounds nice.

I like the sound of Cell's laugh if that's weird.

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#24958: Feb 18th 2017 at 1:45:01 PM

Taka's Perfect Cell in general has been a delight. I wasn't sure how they were going to distinguish Perfect Cell's self-absorbed egotism from Frieza's, but they did a great job of it. Frieza's arrogance has more malice behind it, while Cell just seems perpetually entertained by everything.

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#24959: Feb 18th 2017 at 1:59:31 PM

Depending on which material you go by, zenkai either has explicit limits or just kind of stops at some point. Either way, even if Cell were getting zenkai, Superman just keeps punching him down until that stops happening.

Also, Cell's only zenkai came as a result of everything but his regenerative nucleus being destroyed. Not even having the top half of his body blown up did that. Taxing his regeneration to the point where exhaustion may kill him might be enough to trigger one, but it's not a sure thing because even Cell's first zenkai was a massive fluke.

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#24960: Feb 18th 2017 at 2:10:53 PM

Why does everyone assume that Superman is stronger than Cell? Has Supes ever blown up a planet? Is his Rebuild-the-Great-Wall-of-China vision going to somehow give him an edge in the battle?

edited 18th Feb '17 2:16:26 PM by WillKeaton

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#24961: Feb 18th 2017 at 2:12:38 PM

That's apparently more of a question of "which Superman"? DC and Marvel Comics apparently get pretty ridiculous with this stuff and considering how old the character is, it's not very consistent between writers.

edited 18th Feb '17 2:13:20 PM by LSBK

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#24962: Feb 18th 2017 at 2:13:21 PM

There's also multiple Supermen, and Cell would annihilate any from the animated series/movies, the one from the Golden Age, and the New 52 one. The Silver and Modern Age Supes are really the only ones with any kind of a chance against him.

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Thebrawlbro Since: Aug, 2013
#24963: Feb 18th 2017 at 2:26:06 PM

[up][up][up] Superman can use the Infinte Mass Punch, which hits with the force of a White Dwarf Star, and that's when the Flash uses it. Superman is Millions of times stronger then the Flash, so you can guess what happens when he uses it.

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#24964: Feb 18th 2017 at 2:28:02 PM

[up][up][up][up] Watch Deathbattle. They have some shitty research on Goku's end, but they show pretty clearly how far the comics version of Superman is over Goku. There are versions that would be weaker than certain DB characters, but he is far more consistently untouchable to them.

Also, Cell has basically no feats. Not fair to say "Superman never blew up a planet" when the biggest planetary body Cell destroyed was Kaio's.

edit: and yeah, Infinite Mass Punch could easily be the 'nuke' option that just completely destroys Cell, I just don't remember whether it can cause large scale damage or whether it's always localized in the exact area of the punch.

edited 18th Feb '17 2:29:14 PM by Saiga

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#24965: Feb 18th 2017 at 2:30:04 PM

[up][up] Given how science works, the Infinite Mass Punch should be exactly as strong regardless of who uses it.

Of course, a punch with infinite mass should have infinite force and it doesn't.

Of course of course, applying real world physics to comic books is usually a bad idea. Not when the Flash can run so fast that he arrives at his destination before he left.

edited 18th Feb '17 2:30:23 PM by Zelenal

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#24966: Feb 18th 2017 at 2:31:19 PM

Some infinities can be greater than others. I just had this explained to me yesterday, and already forgot the explanation (fuck math)

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#24967: Feb 18th 2017 at 2:32:05 PM

[up][up]...Is that a thing the Flash has actually done?

[up]It's a pretty simple concept really; all numbers are infinite, but there are obviously twice as many numbers total as there are only even/odd, even if they both keep going forever. And there are probably other, more complicated examples.

edited 18th Feb '17 2:33:31 PM by LSBK

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#24968: Feb 18th 2017 at 2:32:29 PM

[up][up] Yeah, I know of that. However, that's when math starts getting kinda stupid from a layman's perspective so whatever.

[up] Yep. The Flash once raced a dude for the fate of the Earth. The problem was that the guy could teleport to anywhere instantaneously. So the Flash had everyone on Earth start running at the same time and used their combined kinetic energy to beat the guy in the race.

edited 18th Feb '17 2:33:47 PM by Zelenal

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#24970: Feb 18th 2017 at 2:36:34 PM

Yeah, the Flash is insane when it comes to speed. He once evactuated an entire city of over half a million people in a single attosecond. To put that into perspective, in one attosecond, light would barely move from one atom to the next.

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#24971: Feb 18th 2017 at 2:39:16 PM

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#24972: Feb 18th 2017 at 2:39:27 PM

It is all a matter of dimensions; you can have an infinite plane, and an infinite space, and the infinite space would be larger because it has 3 dimensions while the infinite plane has 2.

When dealing with different infinites, magnitudes are irrelevant and dimensions are everything.

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#24973: Feb 18th 2017 at 2:48:05 PM

Cell may have no planet-bustin' feats, but he is stronger than some folks (such as Freeza), who do, using the same "weapon", if you will (ki blasts). Yeah, he was never allowed to blow up a planet on the scale of Earth, but I can see no reason to doubt that he could.

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#24974: Feb 18th 2017 at 2:51:49 PM

Due to the hyperbolic levels of power that late-Dragon Ball characters have, it can often be difficult to get people to agree on exactly how strong they're supposed to be. It depends heavily on how much you're willing to credit to their boasts versus how demanding you are of feats.

On the one end of the spectrum, Cell claims to be a solar system buster. On the other end, he actually does somewhere between jack and shit, despite being sandwiched between planet-buster Frieza and planet-buster Buu.

I've actually seen people argue that Cell cannot be more than a planet-buster by using Frieza's Five Minutes as "proof" that Majin Buu is the minimum proven level of power capable of destroying a planet with ease. The logic is that Frieza can do it but only by destabilizing a core and letting the chain reaction occur, and you have to get to Buu's level to actually demolish the entire planet with a single blast.

edited 18th Feb '17 2:52:42 PM by TobiasDrake

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