Yeah. Filler suggests padding when a decent amount of it is better than a fair amount of the original material. Kai would have been better off keeping some of the "filler" while it shaved off the padding. The Garlic JR saga wasn't quite the worst in the entire series. And frankly I don't think the series is good enough to really have a "pure" version of cannon.
You know the manga is one work and the anime is another. So I'll refer to it as happening in the Dragonball anime or Dragonball Z.
Am I a good man or a bad man?I'll agree that filler can be good when it fleshes out characters and makes for interesting stories. The filler isn't what hurt DBZ; the stalling was.
That being said, I don't like the Garlic Jr. Saga primarily because of its connection to the noncanon Garlic Jr. film. Tying a canon plot element into a noncanon plot element creates plot holes.
edited 26th Dec '12 6:15:54 PM by TobiasDrake
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In short, the IRS needed to get it back quickly before it was Lost Forever.
I doubt she was under any kind of orders to spend Krillin's money so fast. She just did because she's a horrible person. She tells us this directly. It's the punchline of the joke.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Yeah, it was all but flat-out stated that anything Marron got Krillin to buy her was just a bonus in what was otherwise a simple undercover operation. You guys are looking too far into it.
Anyway, I thought it was a great episode. A little upsetting that they ended the Garlic Jr. arc so quickly, but then again your average DBZ fan probably doesn't even know who Garlic Jr. is, so no harm in trying to get to the androids as quickly as possible.
edited 30th Dec '12 8:54:16 PM by Watchtower
That fight's always bugged me. Specifically, the abruptness has always bugged me. I've always felt like Toriyama was building up King Cold to be the new Big Bad; there's a bit of foreshadowing of Frieza's parents during the Frieza fight in the same way there's a bit of foreshadowing of the galactic space emperor in the Vegeta fight. Trunks' appearance felt to me like he got as far as Frieza and his father landing on Earth, then went, "...you know what? I'm bored of this story. Time to write something different. Um...AND THEN A SUPER SAIYAN FROM THE FUTURE KILLED FRIEZA, HIS FATHER, AND ALL OF HIS MEN. Alright, new story."
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I highly doubt that. Toriyama is a big fan of The Worf Effect, which explains the abruptness, and I don't think he'd reuse the previous Big Bad as the next one nor introduce a Big Bad that's weaker than the last (Cold).
Wouldn't that just make the villain decay even worse?
edited 30th Dec '12 10:33:27 PM by Saiga
Also: in the original, Frieza outright tells us that he transforms down, not up. For his race, transformations are a way of limiting power, not raising it.
King Cold dies in Second Form, which means his power is still heavily suppressed. That he is the only character in the entire history of Dragon Ball to die without ever revealing the true extent of his power speaks heavily towards Toriyama just getting sick of the story and wanting to wrap it up quickly.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.No, it doesn't. King Cold's "second" form is never confirmed to be that at all, it just looks similar. Freeza describes his forms as something he invented, not the norm for his race. So that's really presumptuous. Even assuming that was the case, it still doesn't mean he radically changed his mind, just that he didn't need Cold at full power since Cold was never an important character to begin with - he was just the guy who rescued Freeza.
edited 30th Dec '12 10:36:44 PM by Saiga
He was also supposed to be more powerful than Frieza, as foreshadowed by lines like the one where Frieza notes that the only time he's ever felt pain before was when his father would beat him.
A couple bits of the battle with Frieza set up the idea that King Cold will step out of the shadows as the more powerful galactic emperor behind Frieza. This does not pay off even slightly, and his abrupt and meaningless defeat and abrupt story change for something completely different is disappointing.
edited 30th Dec '12 10:39:12 PM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.No, he was not more powerful. He was weaker. Cold himself admits this - he states that the person that could beat Freeza would be the most powerful in the universe, as that was the position previously held by Freeza. Not Cold.
Oh and his actual line to Goku is that he's the worst person to "get dust" on him in his final form besides his parent(s). Which really means that Cold was, at one point, strong enough to touch him in battle (remember that Vegeta couldn't even manage that).
It should be obvious that this doesn't hint towards Cold being stronger, as Freeza says this to the much weaker Goku who achieved the same feat.
edited 30th Dec '12 10:43:38 PM by Saiga
My suggestion doesn't have anything to do with Villain Decay.
Isn't Cooler several times more powerful than Freeza? Or is he not canon?
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