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#24627: Feb 3rd 2017 at 5:55:56 PM

I don't think anything about Super Saiyan 4 is "edgy". That sounds like a complete misuse of the phrase.

I'm not terribly fond of the idea - I prefer the tails, and eventually Super Saiyan, becoming redundant - and the design isn't perfect for Super Saiyan + Oozaru as a concept, but it also doesn't feel out of place in Dragon Ball and it can look pretty cool at times.

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#24628: Feb 3rd 2017 at 6:03:52 PM

Overuse of red and black in the color scheme, red and black eyeliner spontaneously materializing, that it's mostly treated seriously, and it comes with a deeper and more gravelly voice accompanying it. Super Saiyan 4 is edgy as fuck. Fits right in the 90s, when everything was edgy.

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#24629: Feb 3rd 2017 at 6:05:00 PM

I mean, the original concept was to have it have gold hair just like the other forms, but they eventually decided that black hair went better with the red fur.

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#24630: Feb 3rd 2017 at 6:05:02 PM

I agree with [up][up] and add that I will never be able to take it seriously due to Goku spontaneously sprouting pants when he assumes the form.

edited 3rd Feb '17 6:05:12 PM by TobiasDrake

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#24631: Feb 3rd 2017 at 6:07:15 PM

Yeah that doesn't sound edgy at all. Ignoring that the black is there because it's the Saiyan's natural colour, the form is about as serious as any other transformation.

The edgy nineties is a western thing. It's silly to think Super Saiyan 4 is part of that trend.

[up][up] I don't like the magical clothes, but that's got less to do with the visual design and more with the terrible kid Goku shit GT was sticking to.

edited 3rd Feb '17 6:08:14 PM by Saiga

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#24632: Feb 3rd 2017 at 6:07:39 PM

Yes, because the red palette swap of Goku and the blue palette swap of Super Saiyan look so much better...

[up] Would you have preferred that Goku just stand there naked, with potentially a furry crotch? Because the people who make Rule 34 a thing would have been all over that, even more than they are now.

edited 3rd Feb '17 6:12:07 PM by Ssj3Gojira

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#24633: Feb 3rd 2017 at 6:09:57 PM

That's not really edgy. Edgy is a sort of aggressive transgressiveness. SS4's design is fairly 90s, but that doesn't make it edgy

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#24634: Feb 3rd 2017 at 6:10:07 PM

Yeah it's not really edgy at all. Nothing like actual edgy shit like eyes bleeding, eye patches, black long coats etc.

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#24635: Feb 3rd 2017 at 6:11:44 PM

Even if it were, does being edgy automatically make it bad?

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#24636: Feb 3rd 2017 at 6:40:18 PM

Yes, haven't you seen the way that word is used?

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#24637: Feb 3rd 2017 at 6:44:53 PM

the original concept was to have it have gold hair just like the other forms,

That would have looked awful.

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#24638: Feb 3rd 2017 at 7:05:45 PM

Eh, I've seen Super Saiyan 4 designs that use the same hair colour as 1 - 3. It can still look good.

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#24639: Feb 3rd 2017 at 7:31:47 PM

Would you have preferred that Goku just stand there naked, with potentially a furry crotch? Because the people who make Rule 34 a thing would have been all over that, even more than they are now.

I'd prefer they didn't pointlessly turn Goku into a kid and then age him up exclusively for their new Super Saiyan transformation, forcing them to make a call between magic pants or new strawberry-flavored monkey parts.

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#24640: Feb 3rd 2017 at 7:36:20 PM

Which isn't really a problem caused by Super Saiyan 4.

edited 3rd Feb '17 7:36:28 PM by Saiga

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#24641: Feb 3rd 2017 at 7:37:52 PM

Grandfather Kid Goku was quite pointless; the design was made for adult Goku anyway.

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#24642: Feb 3rd 2017 at 8:04:49 PM

[up][up] It sort of is. Half the problem is on the fact that they de-aged Goku, the other half is on the fact that they decided Super Saiyan 4 automatically transforms you into an adult. And gives you magic pants.

Like, when Kid Goku turns Super Saiyan 3, he doesn't spontaneously become Naked Raditz.

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#24643: Feb 3rd 2017 at 8:11:42 PM

If they really wanted to bring back adult Goku, they should have just made it so that whatever bullshit magic let him become an adult for Super Saiyan 4 also let him stay an adult instead of becoming a kid again every time he reverts to base.

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#24644: Feb 3rd 2017 at 8:14:45 PM

[up][up] That's not Super Saiyan 4's design. That's how Super Saiyan 4 was used in the story.

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#24645: Feb 3rd 2017 at 8:19:45 PM

Yeah, Super Saiyan 4 was supposed to be stronger than the wish that made him a child in the first place, so it'd just fight against it to the point of negation.

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#24646: Feb 3rd 2017 at 8:21:42 PM

That's pure fanon though.

I mean, it'd be a great way to establish your new transformation by having it be the first thing to resist the Black Star Shenron's power, but it's not actually brought up or even hinted at by the series.

edited 3rd Feb '17 8:24:28 PM by Saiga

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#24647: Feb 3rd 2017 at 8:22:12 PM

It's really the only real explanation though...

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#24648: Feb 3rd 2017 at 8:25:16 PM

That still wouldn't make it true. And I've seen plenty of other theories, like Super Saiyan 4 just giving the user an ideal body for fighting, because when you're indulging in pure fanon the sky is the limit.

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#24649: Feb 3rd 2017 at 8:25:18 PM

Being fanon makes its qualifications as a "real" explanation suspect. tongue

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#24650: Feb 3rd 2017 at 9:03:40 PM

[up][up] I mean, I've seen that used in that Redux thing as an explanation to explain Broly's Super Saiyan 4 form; the other Legendary forms are just mutated Grade III states.

Even though it was designed by Toriyama himself, and the thing's now canon due to the female Saiyan in Super that has the form...

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