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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#24476: Jan 31st 2017 at 3:55:31 PM

Nothing wrong with Guns Are Worthless as a trope. Depending on the work there's no reason to get worked up about it.

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#24477: Jan 31st 2017 at 3:59:28 PM

I mean,a blaster or sword that's actually useable would be kinda cool,but DB is more punchy and lazery.Maybe in XV 3.

Along with the Android race.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#24478: Jan 31st 2017 at 3:59:36 PM

If the work doesn't have guns after a certain point...like Dragon Ball.

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#24479: Jan 31st 2017 at 4:36:46 PM

Ah, but we also know that it's 100% possible for a gun of some sort to hurt Goku or he's not expecting danger, such as that one laser blaster in RF. And bullets have more mass than a laser, so the damage should clearly be even greater in the right conditions.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#24480: Jan 31st 2017 at 4:44:53 PM

Oh yeah, I've been meaning to ask, what is the context of Krillin getting shot and apparently hurting him?

Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#24481: Jan 31st 2017 at 4:47:00 PM

[up]The same reason Gohan was having trouble during Frieza's arc. He'd been slacking off and not training so his power level dropped so low that bullets could hurt him. To compare, start of Dragonball Goku could handle bullets fine, though they still hurt.

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#24482: Jan 31st 2017 at 4:50:42 PM

He wasn't hurt by them either at that point.

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#24483: Jan 31st 2017 at 4:53:51 PM

The context is Toei doesn't give a shit.

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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#24484: Jan 31st 2017 at 5:01:52 PM

I like to imagine that following Cell and the sayians, gun manufacturers just up their game.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#24485: Jan 31st 2017 at 5:19:31 PM

I bet the manga skipped ROF so Toyotaro wouldn't have to explain Goku getting sniped.

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#24486: Jan 31st 2017 at 10:04:19 PM

I love the idea that Toyotaro was like "I have no idea how I can make this not stupid so I'm just gonna skip it."

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LOLypop1224 ...what am I even DOING here? Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#24487: Feb 1st 2017 at 1:04:06 AM

More likely it's that he already had to draw the start of the story just a few months prior for the same magazine, so it'd be really weird if they suddenly either put in the first few chapters again or suddenly skip from Battle of Gods to Golden Freeza fighting Goku with no build-up.

That, and I think they wanted him to get ahead of the anime to promote the Champa arc. You know. To tell people that stuff is going to happen in Super outside of movie retellings.

But in his RF manga, Toyotaro kept things pretty much the same. I don't think he would change much even if he could.

edited 1st Feb '17 1:04:39 AM by LOLypop1224

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#24488: Feb 1st 2017 at 1:06:04 AM

Ah, but we also know that it's 100% possible for a gun of some sort to hurt Goku or he's not expecting danger, such as that one laser blaster in RF. And bullets have more mass than a laser, so the damage should clearly be even greater in the right conditions

He was hit in the temple with a sniper bullet as a child and it merely stung. Now, I know people would argue that he was prepared for it because he was attacking the RRA base, but that's ridiculous - it took him completely off-guard and the difference in strength between child Goku and SSB Goku is literally more than 100 million times.

Neither does Vegeta, yet here we are.

That's not why Vegeta was spared and trying to make it about that is asinine. I'll never understand why you get so hung up over Nappa being less of a dick than Vegeta was at that time. He's still an monster to anyone that isn't a Saiyan, and having that small bit of camaraderie doesn't mean he's proportionally more redeemable than Vegeta.

Sure, when you look at the two as villains Nappa looks like he'd have a better chance of redeeming than Vegeta, but you can't look at the redeemed Vegeta and say "well obviously Nappa should be even better if he was redeemed" because that's not how it works. He could have just as easily stayed the lesser evil instead of becoming a good guy, and he showed no signs that he could even be a good guy. No-one's obligated to give Nappa a chance. The narrative isn't about that and the characters don't give a flying fuck.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#24489: Feb 1st 2017 at 1:45:51 AM

A few pages ago someone mentioned that Krillin's death by Buu was probably quick, but I've been pondering that. When does a person die after being chocolatified/jawbreakerfied/etceterafied by Buu? Candy isn't exactly the most living thing around, maybe it's instant death when they get zapped. Or when he bites down, given the emphasis they tended to put on that. We also see him digest stuff pretty fast, maybe it's then.

I actually started thinking about this in regards to those people he made into clay for his house (was that in the manga?). He didn't eat them, of course. Were they still alive, screaming with a thousand intermingled voices, until Kid Buu blew up the planet?

edited 1st Feb '17 1:47:16 AM by KnownUnknown

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#24490: Feb 1st 2017 at 3:31:48 AM

[up] Given that Vegitto could taunt and defeat Buu as a piece of candy, being turned into food must be an And I Must Scream situation.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#24491: Feb 1st 2017 at 3:39:40 AM

Not necessarily. Vegetto is an outlier, no-one retained the ability to talk or move. So it's possible those too weak to pull a Vegetto just die outright.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#24492: Feb 1st 2017 at 7:28:05 AM

I always imaged that the people he turned into candy and other things were still alive, but not really conscious. They'd be in a similar situation as plants or fungi.

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#24493: Feb 1st 2017 at 7:59:35 AM

There was an extension scene that had him imply consciousness (he was ranting to someone, can't remember if it was Yamcha or not, about how messed up that particular death was to experience). I imagine the animators were extrapolating from the jawbreaker scene.

edited 1st Feb '17 8:00:23 AM by Enlong

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#24494: Feb 1st 2017 at 11:02:20 AM

In the scene where he kills everyone (which is filler, a shame given how good a scene it is. The most recent episode of Super flashes back to it Toei-style, so that's cool), the only time he stops to talk IIRC is right after using the attack on 18 and Marron. And he's more gloating about how good they taste after the fact.

I don't remember him talking to anyone he Candy Beams, except Vegetto.

edited 1st Feb '17 11:22:19 AM by KnownUnknown

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#24495: Feb 1st 2017 at 11:29:06 AM

The Vegetto example proves that it is possible to retain consciousness and motor functions as a candy with a sufficient level of power, but the different in magnitude between Vegetto and Joe Q. Public is so insane that there is no reason at all to believe any of the helpless bystanders were capable of it.

And there's also no reason to assume they would retain consciousness if they didn't retain motor functions. It's not like flying is a candy-exclusive ability. If Cookie Dabura was conscious, I'd imagine he'd be able to use his ki control too.

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#24496: Feb 1st 2017 at 11:40:30 AM

I think Vegitto could move as a candy, not because he was strong, but because he was a fusion. That's just a guess mind you.

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#24497: Feb 1st 2017 at 11:40:57 AM

Wasn't him turning into a jawbreaker filler only?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#24498: Feb 1st 2017 at 11:43:45 AM

It was because he was Vegetto. A guidebook says it's because of his unique body or something.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#24499: Feb 1st 2017 at 12:33:27 PM

Vegetto was also half-dead at the time.

Still think he should have had half a halo.

edited 1st Feb '17 12:33:48 PM by unnoun

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#24500: Feb 1st 2017 at 12:43:55 PM

[up][up] The guidebook entry didn't really explain it further, it mostly just described what we saw. That Vegetto could retain his strength even if his form was forcibly changed.


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